Welcome to another edition of The Way Out Podcast! I'm yourhost, Charlie, and in this rendition of The Way Out, we have something trulyspecial lined up for you. You might know Edwin McCain as the voice behindtimeless hits like 'I'll Be' and 'I Could Not Ask for More,' but beyond themusic, he's got a deeply personal story that embodies recovery, resilience, andtransformation.

For those of you who’ve been listening to The Way Out fromthe start, you’ll recognize this as the original format of the show, where Iwould deliver the introduction to the interview that followed. We’re going oldschool on this one with Edwin because once our chat got started, there was no stoppingfor nothin.

In this conversation, Edwin opens up about his journey toand through Recovery to this point—the highs, the struggles, and the lessonsthat have shaped him not just as an artist, but as a human being. His insightsinto addiction, healing, and finding purpose beyond fame are powerful anddeeply relatable. All of this he takes into his new album, Lucky for which he embarkson Tour to support starting in our back yard in Minneapolis tomorrow, Cinco DeMayo of all days.

Perhaps the most profound and resonant piece of spiritualand Recovery wisdom to come from our recovery rap session is that Nothing is thehardest thing to do on our path to and through Recovery. This strikes at thevery core of mine and so many that I’ve come to knows experience. Boredom andidle time was untenable and it felt impossible not to react to most everything.Paradoxically, when I’m spiritually centered, Nothing is too hard in Recoveryor life. So whether you’re doing something or nothing as you listen, I am certainyou’ll enjoy kicking it old school with Edwin and I waxing poetic on all thingsRecovery so Listen Up.

Takeaways

Recovery is a personal journey that requires understandingone's triggers.

The loss of an addict can lead to others finding their pathto sobriety.

Mindfulness can help individuals separate their thoughtsfrom their actions.

Harm reduction strategies can be effective for someindividuals in recovery.

Community support is crucial in the recovery process.

Every recovery journey is unique and requires tailoredapproaches.

Understanding brain chemistry can aid in addressingaddiction.

Families must also engage in the recovery process to breakthe cycle. It's hard to bring people to the realization of their challenges.

Family dynamics can complicate recovery.

Emotional responses can be overwhelming in early recovery.

Altruism is a key component of recovery support.

Recovery is about becoming a dependable person.

Balance is essential for a fulfilling life.

Creativity can flourish when addiction is removed.

Recovery allows for deeper emotional connections.

The stigma around addiction can hinder treatment.

Recovery can lead to unexpected moments of clarity.Connection is everything for me.

You can't rush the process.

Be the best example of recovery.

I'm not looking for an attaboy.

Gratitude list is usually way up there.

Living Sober had the biggest impact.

The hardest thing in the world to do is nothing.

Learn more about Edwin McCain and his music - https://edwin.com/

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Living Sober:Practical Methods Alcoholics Have Used for Living Without Drinking - https://a.co/d/dpoxlCW

Best piece of Recovery advice: The hardest thing in the worldis to do nothing

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Edwin: The Lucky One by AndersOsborne - https://youtu.be/pJOoKWwjj5A

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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In this episode of the Way Out Podcast, Killian Ann No shares her profound journey of recovery and the mission of Recovery Cafe. The conversation explores the essence of recovery, emphasizing that everyone is recovering from something, whether it be mental health issues, trauma, or substance use. Killian discusses the importance of community, connection, and intentionality in the recovery process, highlighting how Recovery Cafe serves as a nurturing space for individuals to find love, support, and healing. The dialogue also delves into the challenges of maintaining joy amidst loss and the significance of discernment in relationships. Ultimately, the episode is a heartfelt exploration of love, acceptance, and the ongoing journey of recovery.

Takeaways

Recovery is about addressing core causes and conditions.

Connection with ourselves and others is vital for healing.

We are all recovering from something, not just substances.

Intentionality in choosing love over fear is crucial.

Community plays a significant role in the recovery process.

Discernment is necessary for understanding love in relationships.

Forgiveness is a daily practice in recovery.

Experiencing loss is a part of the recovery journey.

Finding joy amidst suffering is essential.

Every individual has a divine love within them.

Reach out to Killian Noe, Co-Founder of Recovery Cafe andRecovery Cafe Network and a person Committed to the spiritual and recoveryjourney:

https://recoverycafenetwork.org/

Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Invitation toLove by Thomas Keating - https://a.co/d/dJulhkq

Best piece of Recovery advice: Don’t waste too much timegetting yourself and others all cleaned up, acceptance does more for healingthen trying to fixing each other.

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Killian: Bring Me a HigherLove by Steve Winwood - https://youtu.be/k9olaIio3l8

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA

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Reach out to Dr. Adi Jaffe: https://www.adijaffe.com/

Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations:

The Four Agreements: A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom(A Toltec Wisdom Book) - by Don Miguel Ruiz - https://a.co/d/iaCIYwj

The Biology of Belief 10th Anniversary Edition: Unleashingthe Power of Consciousness, Matter & Miracles by Bruce H. Lipton PHD - https://a.co/d/iR6tX6r

Best piece of Recovery advice: Be Honest

Artist that symbolizes Recovery to Adi: Nine Inch Nails

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist”availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA

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