Ben and Jon wade into the spicy aftermath of Wes Huff’s conversation with Joe Rogan—because nothing says “good time” like theology and controversy. They dig into the messiness of apologetics, the limits of personal testimony, and ask the eternal question: how do we really confirm a miracle? Also on the table: is believing the Book of Mormon actually that much crazier than being a Christian? Plus, the rise of Rogan as a modern media juggernaut, a nerdy detour into the Dead Sea Scrolls, and a PSA about the dangers of confidently pontificating from a place of total ignorance. (Not that anyone does that. Ever.)

In this episode, John and Ben dive into the latest controversy—the Oklahoma “Trump Bible” scandal. Yes, apparently, there’s only one Bible now that’s deemed holy enough: the Trump Bible. Because if there’s one thing Oklahoma politicians want you to believe, it’s that the Bible is just a little better with a “MAGA” twist. John and Ben ask the big questions: Why this Bible, and only this one? And while we’re at it, is teaching the Bible in public schools a great idea anyway?

Then, the duo takes another stroll down Testify Lane, revisiting the YouTube critic who’s made it his mission to call out Bart Ehrman. This time, he’s riled up over the contradictions in the Gospels’ resurrection stories. Who exactly showed up at the tomb—just Mary, a couple of random women, or the whole cast of characters? And who did they see—a man, an angel, two angels, two men, or was it just a vacant tomb rental? And, of course, who did they go and tell?

Testify insists Ehrman’s missing the “obvious” harmony in these accounts. Who’s really being misleading here?

In this episode, John and Ben dive headfirst into the YouTube drama surrounding our favorite Biblical scholar, Bart Ehrman. YouTuber, known as Testify, throws some heavy accusations Ehrman’s way, claiming he’s a “radical” who is finding Gospel contradictions where there are none. According to Testify, Ehrman is bent on tearing down Christianity—all while hiding behind a “consensus.” Listen as they break down Testify’s bold claims to see who’s really playing fast and loose with the facts, and whether the truth is getting lost in the crossfire. Buckle up!

Link To Testify’s Video:

https://youtu.be/jGEs4Pk0Jjs