Flamenco's haunting rhythms carry centuries of suppressed memories—the echoes of Spain's Jewish and Muslim communities, expelled and erased through centuries of ethnic cleansing. Yet somehow, these cultural memories persist through sound and verse, creating what poet Ben Meyerson calls "diasporic memory."

In this conversation that spans continents and centuries, Meyerson takes us deep into the inspiration behind his collection "Seguirías," named after a flamenco form known for its mournful depth. "I was using it as a shorthand for diasporic memory," he explains, "for the recording of diasporic memory or itinerant memory in various ways." Through his poetry, Meyerson creates a powerful bridge between the experiences of Spain's persecuted minorities and his own Jewish identity in North America.

The discussion moves effortlessly between practical craft considerations—like how to adapt flamenco's complex 12-beat rhythms into English verse—to profound questions about poetic subjectivity. Drawing from his academic work on medieval troubadour poetry, Meyerson offers a fascinating perspective: that subjectivity itself might be a formal choice rather than an authentic expression. "Choosing to be a subject in a poem is a choice," he argues, "it's not just something that we automatically do."

We also explore the limitations of contemporary workshop culture, where poems focused on personal trauma can sometimes create a flattened social interior where readers are only invited to validate rather than engage. Throughout, Meyerson demonstrates how poetry can be both intellectually rigorous and emotionally affecting—challenging readers while still offering them a way into the experience.

Whether you're fascinated by poetry's relationship to music, interested in cultural memory, or simply looking for fresh perspectives on the craft of writing, this conversation will leave you with new ways to think about how poetry preserves what history tries to erase. Discover how form becomes memory and memory becomes form in Ben Meyerson's remarkable work.

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