It finally happened — Mick toed the line at Javelina Jundred and brought home his first 100-mile belt buckle. But it didn’t come easy. From a brutal first lap in a black T-shirt and handheld bottle, to puking in the desert and pounding ginger ale to survive, this is a full breakdown of what happens when your body and mind hit the wall.

Jake and Mick dive into every lap of the legendary Javelina 100, unpacking the chaos, the lessons, and the moments that made this one unforgettable. From race-day mistakes and heat-management disasters to the ginger-ale miracle that turned it all around, this episode captures the full rollercoaster of running 100 miles in the Arizona desert.

They also cover what’s next: the off-season training block, body-composition surprises, HYROX hot takes, and the long road to Cocodona 250.

Whether you’re training for your first ultra or just love hearing what it really takes to earn a buckle, this one’s packed with grit, humor, and honesty.

What You’ll Hear In This Episode:

• The full Javelina 100-mile recap — heat, blisters, and redemption

• The fueling breakdown (why ginger ale beats water)

• Lessons learned from the crew tent and aid-station chaos

• How to fix mid-race nausea when your stomach shuts down

• Real talk on pacing, mindset, and post-race recovery

• Community moments, haters, and the rise of The Next Aid Station

• Winter training goals: F45, strength, and staying sharp for Cocodona

• Reflections on Camille’s episode, kindness, and online culture

• Behind-the-scenes: the one-bed hotel story and merch mayhem

About The Show

The Next Aid Station is the ultrarunning podcast that goes beyond splits and shoe talk — hosted by Jake Kilgore and Mick Garrison, it’s where race stories meet real life. Each week, we dive deep into the highs, lows, and absurd moments that make the endurance world what it is.

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She’s a world record holder, a whistleblower, and the queen of Javelina Jundred.

In this raw and hilarious conversation, Camille Herron opens up about her world records, the truth behind the USATF controversy, and how she’s using her voice to advocate for inclusion in ultrarunning.

From tacos and super shoes to lawsuits and laughter, this is one of the most unfiltered episodes yet.

Recorded in Scottsdale before Javelina Jundred, Jake, Mick, and Scott sit down with ultrarunning icon Camille Herron — the woman who’s redefined endurance running. Camille breaks down how she’s still setting records in her 40s, her neurodivergent journey with autism and ADHD, and the real story behind her recent media controversies. Plus, she talks Taco Bell, training, fairness in sport, and why she can absolutely laugh at the “Steely Toughness” memes.

Timestamps:

00:00 – Welcome Back to The Next Aid Station

00:18 – Introducing the Queen of Javelina: Camille Herron

01:04 – Driving Chaos: Camille’s Journey to Scottsdale

01:26 – Setting World Records: The Spark that Drives Her

02:10 – From 50 Miles to 6 Days: Camille’s Record-Breaking Range

03:15 – Super Shoes & Longevity in Running

04:00 – Trails vs Roads: Why Camille Loves to Go Fast

04:50 – “What’s a Javelina?” — Camille’s Wild Desert Encounters

06:00 – Running with 1,500 People: The Javelina Party Vibe

07:00 – Taco Bell, Tacos, and World Records

08:00 – Taco Bell Sends Camille a $10 Gift Card (and a Lifetime of Laughs)

09:00 – Homemade Tacos & the Men’s Meat Shirt Connection

09:45 – Would Camille Pace a Lap at Javelina?

10:10 – Running 300 Miles and Carrying Your Own… What?!

10:57 – When Nature Calls: Camille’s Funniest Marathon Stories

11:19 – The Super Shoe Revolution Explained

13:10 – Running Boston After the Bombing: A Powerful Moment

14:00 – Rules, Fairness & Integrity: Camille’s View on Governing Bodies

16:20 – Inside the Record Controversy: When a Course Isn’t “Certified Enough”

18:00 – Calibration, Clocks, and Controversy — How Tiny Errors Cost Big

20:00 – The Hidden Bureaucracy Behind Every World Record

22:00 – “World Best” vs. “World Record” — What’s the Difference?

23:20 – How Camille Changed the Rules for Drug Testing in Ultras

24:10 – How Many World Records Does Camille Actually Hold?

25:15 – Who Could Break Her Javelina Record?

26:00 – How She Could Shave Minutes Off Her 14:03 Course Record

27:15 – The Women Who Might Be Next: Predictions for Javelina 2024

29:00 – Cheering While Racing — Why Camille Loses Her Voice

30:20 – Neurodivergence, Autism & ADHD in the Ultra World

33:00 – Breaking Down the USA Track & Field Controversy

35:00 – The Fight for Accommodations & Inclusion in Athletics

38:00 – Communication Breakdown: How It All Went Wrong with USATF

42:00 – Following Legal Advice & Protecting Herself from Misrepresentation

45:00 – What She Would (and Wouldn’t) Do Differently

47:10 – Why Inclusivity in Running Still Has a Long Way to Go

52:00 – Trail vs Road Running: Finding Calm in Chaos

55:00 – How Her Autism Diagnosis Changed Everything

57:00 – The Greatest Female Ultrarunners of All Time

59:00 – Is Camille in the Top 3? (Spoiler: Yes.)

1:01:00 – Who Inspires Camille: Ruth Croft, Courtney, Katie & More

1:03:00 – Wikipedia, Whistleblowing, and the Truth Behind the “Steely Toughness” Story

1:06:00 – Why Camille Reported Rule Violations in Ultra Running

1:07:00 – Justice Sensitivity & Integrity in Sport

1:08:00 – The Wikipedia “Scandal”: Her Side of the Story

1:10:00 – Where “Steely Toughness” Really Came From

1:13:00 – The Real Story Behind the Edits & The Lawsuit

1:16:00 – Clearing the Air: “It Was Never Me — It Was My Husband”

1:17:00 – Halloween Costumes, Humor & Good Vibes

1:20:00 – The Story Behind “Men’s Meat” and Internet Outrage

1:23:00 – Camille’s Reaction to the Men’s Meat Shirt (She Loves It)

1:24:00 – Laughing It Off: Camille’s Humor Shines

1:25:00 – Closing Thoughts with The Queen of Javelina

Recorded in Scottsdale, AZ just before Javelina Jundred, Jake and Mick sit down with Killian to talk about life after conquering Moab, Bigfoot, and Tahoe — and how he’s handling his sudden rise in the ultrarunning world. They dive deep into fueling, mindset, social media growth, and what it takes to stay disciplined when running 200+ miles at a time. Plus, the guys share some hilarious off-trail stories (including the legendary “One Guy, Four Dogs” moment)

Timestamps:

00:00 – Welcome to Scottsdale! Jake, Mick & Killian Kick Things Off

00:45 – “It’s Burning Man for Runners” — The Wild Vibe at Javelina Jundred

02:05 – Pre-Race Nerves, Aid Stations, and the Halloween Party Atmosphere

03:40 – Killian’s Race Goals & Coaching Athletes

04:45 – Fueling for 200-Milers: How Many Carbs Is Enough?

06:25 – Fireball Shots, Kombucha, and Pumpkin Spice: The Crew Debates Nutrition

08:10 – The “Injury” That’s Not an Injury: Killian’s Knee Tape Ritual

09:20 – From Unknown to Trail Superstar — How Moab Changed Everything

10:30 – How Killian Went Viral After Moab 240 (and What He Did Right)

12:00 – Fame, Privacy & Sponsorships — Handling the Spotlight After Moab

13:10 – Ultra Running Business Talk: Agents, Contracts, and Shoe Deals

15:00 – Should 200-Milers Count for Ultrarunner of the Year? The Debate

18:00 – What 200 Miles Really Feels Like (and Why It’s Worth It)

20:30 – Blisters, Hallucinations & Pain at Mile 200 — Moab 240 Stories

22:10 – Running With Gratitude: Why It’s All Worth It

23:00 – Motivation vs. Discipline: What Drives Elite Ultrarunners

24:20 – Avoiding Burnout & Building the Perfect Training Routine

26:10 – “It’s Just a 50” — Why Every Distance Deserves Respect

27:45 – Life After the Triple Crown: Balance, Rest & French Fries

29:00 – The Infamous “Four Guys, Four Dogs” Story (Hilarious)

33:00 – Keeping It Classy… Kinda — Laughter & Chaos in the Studio

36:30 – Coca-Dona Predictions: Who Can Beat Killian?

38:40 – Why Rachel’s One of the Best in the World (and Nobody’s Talking About It)

40:50 – What’s Next: Killian’s 2025 Goals & The Colorado Trail Dream

42:05 – San Juan Mountains Training Plans & Wrap-Up

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