In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Beth and Jeff McCord—bestselling authors and founders of Your Enneagram Coach—to unpack the powerful story behind one of the most influential faith-based coaching movements in the world.

After a devastating church transition left them questioning their purpose, the McCords found themselves in an unexpected season of rebuilding.

What began with financial uncertainty, part-time jobs, and late-night brainstorming sessions soon grew into a global platform serving millions.

They share openly about loss, marriage tension, risk, recovery, and the surprising ways God used their pain to prepare them for something new.

Takeaways :

👉 The church role that went sideways—and the sabbatical that forced a reset

👉 Beth’s entrepreneurial spark (platform skills, first Instagram posts, the scrappy first coach cohort)

👉 Jeff’s recovery & reframing season (counseling, ACOA, learning to learn-and-act)

👉 The catalytic moment: Ian Cron’s book hits and demand surges

👉 Why they launched Beth’s company (not under Jeff’s) to rewrite old patterns

👉 “Building while flying”: hiring help, customer support, and sustainable rhythms

👉 Redefining success beyond a church title—serving more people in new ways

👉 How their latest work (More Than Your Number) blends IFS with the Enneagram to navigate the inner world through transition
This Episode Is for You If…

• You’ve been through a ministry/job disruption and need a hopeful, practical blueprint
• You and your spouse are navigating new roles while building something together
• You’re curious how small experiments (and a lot of faithfulness) compound into a movement
• You want to see how Enneagram insight + recovery work shaped a resilient second act
• If you liked this video, please give it a thumbs up 👍, subscribe, and share it with your friends.

📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode31-beth-jeff-mccord/

In this episode of The In-Between, Evan sits down with Tracey Gee—leadership coach, consultant, and author of The Magic of Knowing What You Want—to explore how desire, faith, and small experiments create aligned momentum after a disruptive transition.

Tracey shares how a missed promotion shattered her sense of identity—and how a simple 40-day practice (doing one thing each day she genuinely wanted) helped her reconnect with God, recover her agency, and begin imagining a new future.

Takeaways:

👉 Why desire is an honest doorway to clarity (you can’t fake what brings you alive)

👉 The “question parking lot”: permission, pragmatic, competency, and capital questions—and when to use them

👉 The Authentic Alignment Pathway (Calibration, Expansion, Experimentation, Integration)

👉 Why you don’t think your way to clarity—you live your way into it

👉 How to engage disappointment so it moves you closer to what you want

👉 How faith and desire cooperate (not compete) in discernment

This Episode Is for You If…

• You’re a faith-based leader in transition—between seasons and craving aligned momentum
• You’re tired of autopilot and want a practical way to listen to God in your desires
• You keep getting stuck in “am I allowed / is it realistic / am I qualified / can I afford it?” loops
• You want right-sized experiments to build clarity this month

📝 Show Notes: https://itstheinbetween.com/episode30-tracey-gee/