On this episode of The Marriage Life Coach Podcast, I am beyond excited to bring you a conversation with the incredible Kate Hutson from the Conscious Leadership Group.

We’re diving into two of my absolute favorite relationship tools: the drama triangle and the empowerment triangle, frameworks that have completely shifted how I think about conflict, power, and emotional leadership, not only in marriage but in every kind of relationship.

Kate’s brilliant perspective will help you see the unconscious patterns we all slip into and how these show up in even the most loving partnerships.

In our conversation, Kate and I explore the three roles of the drama triangle—villain, hero, and victim—and how we each tend to cycle through them when we feel overwhelmed, reactive, or disconnected.

We also talk about what it looks like to shift into the empowered versions of those roles and how that transformation can ripple through your entire life.

Kate shares examples from her coaching and therapy work, and I share personal insights and questions I ask myself when I notice I’ve landed on the drama triangle (because let’s be honest, we all land there sometimes!).

What I love most about this episode is how universal and practical these tools are.

Whether you're navigating tension in your marriage, struggling to set boundaries at work, or trying to reconnect with yourself, using the lens these tools provide gives you a clear map to move from reactivity to conscious, grounded presence.

No matter what kind of relationship you’re trying to improve, these tools will meet you where you are and help you move forward with more clarity, compassion, and connection.

Listen in to hear more about:

• How to spot when you're in the drama triangle and shift into a more empowered stance

• What each role—villain, victim, and hero—really looks like in daily relationships

• Simple questions to help you reconnect with your values when you’re feeling triggered

• How to cultivate compassion for the scared part of you that activates reactive patterns

• Why seeing the innocence in others (and yourself) can be the beginning of real healing

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

• Connect with Kate on Instagram

• The Conscious Leadership Group

• The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership

• The Drama Triangle

• The Questions for Couples Journal

• Private Coaching with Maggie