Larry Lepard, investor and author of The Big Print, joins Jordan to examine why gold is signalling monetary debasement and what that means for Bitcoin. He explains why gold often moves first, why Bitcoin typically follows, and why simple, clear education still matters.

The Big Print: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Big-Print-Happened-America-Sound/dp/B0DVTCVX8J

Recorded 10th November 2025

CONTACT JORDAN:

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X: https://x.com/LawrenceLepard

Website: https://ema2.com

00:00 - Introduction

00:50 - Welcome Back, Larry!

01:09 - The Journey of the Book

02:20 - Bitcoin’s Reach and Future

03:43 - Comparing Influential Books

07:12 - The Role of Audio Books

08:44 - Gold’s Significance in Today’s Economy

13:23 - Monetary Debasement and Its Implications

23:55 - The Federal Reserve’s Role and Future

38:32 - Political Reforms and Global Peace Initiatives

39:42 - Currency Reset and Sound Money

40:19 - The Role of Bitcoin in the Future Economy

44:21 - Decentralisation and Media Transformation

51:49 - Bitcoin’s Market Dynamics and Predictions

58:41 - The Power Law and Bitcoin’s Future

01:00:38 - Challenges and Optimism for Bitcoin Adoption

01:10:09 - Spreading the Word and Educating Others

01:11:04 - Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Anil Patel, Bitcoin educator, author of The Bitcoin Handbook and The Treasury of Michael Saylor, joins to discuss how clear visuals, mental models and “building in public” accelerate Bitcoin understanding and adoption. He shares lessons from early e-commerce and PayPal, why permissionless networks matter, and how to break into Bitcoin by documenting your learning.

📚The Treasury of Michael Saylor: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Treasury-Michael-Saylor-Corporations-Countries/dp/B0FQV38WDF

Recorded on 28th October, 2025.

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TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 - Coming Up

01:00 - Introduction to Anil Patel and His Journey

03:32 - The Evolution of Understanding Bitcoin

06:21 - The Role of Education in Bitcoin

08:41 - Key Concepts in Bitcoin and Economics

11:12 - The Bitcoin Handbook and Its Impact

14:09 - Exploring the Treasury of Michael Saylor

24:29 - The Evolution of Technology and Adoption Patterns

26:11 - Inspiration Behind the Book

28:56 - Insights from Researching Michael Saylor

32:44 - Misunderstandings About Bitcoin on Balance Sheets

36:25 - Asset Classes and Generational Shifts

38:34 - Future Moves for Bitcoin and Saylor

40:23 - Next Steps and Global Interest in Bitcoin

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The Treasury of Michael Saylor

#Bitcoin #BitcoinTreasury #BTC

Scott Ellam, founder of XCE & Spencer Riley, is preparing to take his international executive recruitment firm public, with a Bitcoin treasury. He explains why he started stacking BTC as the company’s primary reserve in 2021, how he scaled buying from daily to weekly, and why the UK needs more businesses openly running Bitcoin strategies.

WRAP offer open across AJ Bell, Hargreaves Lansdown and Interactive Investor: https://x.com/XCEofficial/status/1994093795177029705?s=20

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00:00 - Podcast Introduction and Guest Welcome

01:59 - Bitcoin on the Balance Sheet: A Natural Evolution

05:49 - Understanding the Core Business: Spencer Riley

06:07 - The Recruitment Industry and Business Model

16:52 - The Origin Story of Spencer Riley

22:49 - Discovering Bitcoin: A Personal Journey

31:12 - Challenges of Holding Cash Reserves

32:16 - Transition to Bitcoin Strategy

33:13 - Implementing the Bitcoin Balance Sheet

35:20 - Daily and Weekly Bitcoin Purchases

37:15 - Educating the Team on Bitcoin

40:07 - Preparing for IPO and Team Motivation

45:11 - Bitcoin Strategy and Recruitment

51:21 - Future of Bitcoin in Business

60:57 - Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans

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Disclosure: Jordan is an investor in XCE (Spencer Riley), which is discussed in this episode.

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Natalie Brunell, journalist, author and host of Coin Stories, joins Jordan to explore why retail attention hasn’t returned to Bitcoin despite new highs, and how to reach people outside the echo chamber. She shares her journey from mainstream TV to Bitcoin education and the thinking behind her new book, Bitcoin Is For Everyone.

📙 Bitcoin Is For Everyone: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bitcoin-Everyone-financial-system-solution/dp/1804091138CONTACT JORDAN:💬 X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/JayW132⁠💼 LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-walker-293955106/📬 Email:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ hello@bitcoincollective.coCONTACT NATALIE:💬 X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/natbrunell💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nataliebrunell🎥 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/nataliebrunell00.00 - Introduction 01:15 - Conference Reflections03:19 - The Changing Landscape of Bitcoin Interest07:11 - Media Influence and Public Perception10:03 - The Challenge of Educating Newcomers13:11 - Mainstream Media Coverage of Bitcoin13:34 - Bitcoin as a Solution to Economic Inequality16:17 - Engaging Younger Generations with Bitcoin19:00 - The Role of Utility in Bitcoin Adoption21:27 - The Importance of Merchant Adoption23:55 - Gradual vs. Sudden Adoption of Bitcoin26:14 - The Journey to Bitcoin Education30:24 - Writing for the Bitcoin Community34:31 - Influences and Mentorship in Bitcoin38:49 - Challenges and Risks Ahead for Bitcoin44:17 - The Importance of Education and AccessibilityREAD OUR NEWSLETTER: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📬 https://newsletter.bitcoincollective.co/LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCASTSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06sBiOznJDxuhafDmkE9VK?si=3f0a8bb8abd64eecApple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-bitcoin-collective/id1561573613Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/AYHiNhTTv0HOgGEjRjWNYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@bitcoincollective?sub_confirmation=1All content provided by The Bitcoin Collective and guests in this episode is for informational and educational purposes only and is not meant to represent financial, trade or investment advice. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -EDITED BY JAMES PEARCE💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-pearcesf/Available now on YouTube and all major podcast platforms.Why No One’s Talking About Bitcoin (And Why They Will Again)#Bitcoin #nataliebrunell #BTC

Charlie Morris, founder of ByteTree and creator of the BOLD bitcoin-and-gold strategy, joins to discuss how gold and Bitcoin fit together in a diversified portfolio. He traces the post-2008 shift in markets, central banks’ renewed interest in gold, and why Bitcoin’s credibility has grown despite slow institutional take-up.

🎟️ Every business needs a Bitcoin strategy. Tickets available for our next conference: https://bitcoincollective.co/bitcoin-a-competitive-advantage/

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CONTACT Charlie:

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💼 LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/charlie-morris-1610b22

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01:00 - Intros & Wandsworth “Hard Money”

03:00 - From Army to HSBC to ByteTree

05:00 - Post-2008: why he left HSBC

08:00 - Rotation beyond the S&P & “Mag 7”

10:00 - Why central banks bought gold

19:00 - First hearing about Bitcoin (2012)

24:00 - “Blockchain not crypto”: what blockchains are for

33:00 - UK Bitcoin ETFs and platform gatekeeping

35:00 - BOLD thesis: pairing Bitcoin with gold

49:00 - Gold’s buyers vs Bitcoin’s future demand

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The ETF Moment That Changes Bitcoin

#Bitcoin #BitcoinTreasury #etf #BTC

Jez Casey, a UK business owner and member of The Bitcoin Collective team, joins to discuss practical Bitcoin adoption for companies. He shares how lockdowns pushed him to study Bitcoin, why merchant onboarding still matters, and how he implemented weekly DCA for his own business and staff.🎟️ Every business needs a Bitcoin strategy. Tickets available for our next conference: https://bitcoincollective.co/bitcoin-a-competitive-advantage/CONTACT JORDAN:💬 X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/JayW132⁠💼 LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-walker-293955106/📬 Email:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ hello@bitcoincollective.coCONTACT JEZ CASEY:💬 X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/Jcastweet- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -TIMESTAMPS:00:00 - Introduction to Bitcoin Collective and Personal Journeys08:47 - The Importance of Dollar Cost Averaging17:17 - Onboarding Businesses to Bitcoin24:01 - The Future of Bitcoin in Business28:05 - Navigating Market Volatility and Dollar Cost Averaging30:02 - The Importance of Education in Crypto31:47 - Differentiating Bitcoin from Other Cryptocurrencies33:40 - The Role of Businesses in Driving Change35:51 - Understanding Bitcoin and Its Integration into Business38:50 - The Demographics of Bitcoin Adoption41:46 - Preparing for the Derby Conference46:25 - The Future of Bitcoin in the UK- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -READ OUR NEWSLETTER: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📬 https://newsletter.bitcoincollective.co/LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCASTSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06sBiOznJDxuhafDmkE9VK?si=3f0a8bb8abd64eecApple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-bitcoin-collective/id1561573613Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/AYHiNhTTv0HOgGEjRjWNYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@bitcoincollective?sub_confirmation=1- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -EDITED BY JAMES PEARCE💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-pearcesf/Available now on YouTube and all major podcast platforms.Why Business Owners Are Turning To Bitcoin#Bitcoin #BitcoinTreasury #Fintech #BTC

Vijay, International General Counsel at Gemini and author of Principles of Bitcoin, joins to discuss Bitcoin through law, markets, and first principles. He shares lessons from Freshfields, Davis Polk, Goldman Sachs and the 2008 crisis, and why that period pushed him from gold to “digital gold”.They explore what gives money value, why Bitcoin’s scarcity is path-dependent, and how multidisciplinary thinking—technology, economics, politics, philosophy—prevents the usual siloed mistakes. They also assess ETFs, the rise of Bitcoin treasury companies, and what genuine adoption might look like.

Available now on YouTube and all podcast platforms.🎟️ Every business needs a Bitcoin strategy. Tickets available for our next conference: https://bitcoincollective.co/bitcoin-a-competitive-advantage/CONTACT JORDAN:💬 X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/JayW132⁠💼 LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-walker-293955106/📬 Email:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ hello@bitcoincollective.coCONTACT VIJAY:💬 X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/VijaySelvamXO💼 LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/vijay-selvam-244400- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -TIMESTAMPS:00:00 - Introduction 00:50 - Background03:34 - The Journey to Bitcoin06:11 - Understanding the 2008 Financial Crisis08:41 - From Gold to Bitcoin11:21 - Intrinsic Value of Bitcoin14:03 - Bitcoin Not Crypto: A Distinction16:43 - The Multidisciplinary Approach to Bitcoin19:24 - Philosophical Perspectives on Bitcoin23:35 - The Essence of Bitcoin: First Principles Thinking27:45 - Understanding Bitcoin’s Unique Value Proposition30:51 - The Challenge of Widespread Understanding35:31 - Bitcoin Treasury Companies: A New Investment Avenue40:20 - The Role of Education in Bitcoin Adoption⸻- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -READ OUR NEWSLETTER: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📬 https://newsletter.bitcoincollective.co/LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCASTSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06sBiOznJDxuhafDmkE9VK?si=3f0a8bb8abd64eecApple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-bitcoin-collective/id1561573613Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/AYHiNhTTv0HOgGEjRjWNYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@bitcoincollective?sub_confirmation=1- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -EDITED BY JAMES PEARCE💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-pearcesf/Available now on YouTube and all major podcast platforms.Bitcoin: A Once-in-History Invention#Bitcoin #BitcoinTreasury #Fintech #BTC

B Hodl has just listed, and they’re aiming to power payments over the Lightning Network using a growing Bitcoin treasury. CEO Freddie New (ex-FCA/City lawyer; co-founder, Bitcoin Policy UK) and CBO Danny Scott (co-founder/CEO, CoinCorner) explain why they built a Bitcoin treasury and services company, how Lightning routing and liquidity will generate Bitcoin-native revenue, and why this is about moving value over the internet at a global scale.We cover the realities of going public, the flywheel between BTC accumulation ↔ Lightning capacity ↔ revenue, USDT/Taproot Assets on Lightning, and why B Hodl is committing 1% to UK grassroots adoption. If you want a clear picture of how a public Bitcoin company funds Lightning, this is it.🎟️ Every business needs a Bitcoin strategy. Tickets available for our next conference: https://bitcoincollective.co/bitcoin-a-competitive-advantage/CONTACT JORDAN:💬 X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/JayW132⁠💼 LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-walker-293955106/📬 Email:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ hello@bitcoincollective.coCONTACT Freddie:💬 X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/freddienew?lang=en💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/freddie-new-653aa8/CONTACT Danny:💬 X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/CoinCornerDanny💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danny-scott-59035121/- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -TIMESTAMPS:00:00 – Intros; roles at BHodl (CEO/CBO) 01:24 – Freddie’s background (M&A, restructuring, Bitcoin Policy UK) 03:20 – Danny’s background (mining, CoinCorner, exchange operations) 11:07 – “We are a Bitcoin treasury and services company.” What BHodl does & why IPO now 16:41 – The reality of going public: complexity, education, and “crypto vs Bitcoin” confusion 22:21 – SoV → medium of exchange: why payments are the next phase 30:09 – Lightning explained (layers, settlement vs speed) — Freddie’s simple analogy 33:22 – Lightning routing, liquidity, fees — and BHodl’s role in the network 39:35 – USDT/Taproot Assets on Lightning; using Bitcoin as liquidity in-route 46:38 – The flywheel: raise → buy BTC → open channels → earn → scale capacity 50:24 – Pledging 1% to UK Bitcoin grassroots & why that benefits shareholders long-term 55:57 – UK adoption gap vs US; building Team GB for Bitcoin 57:11 – “First lap of a marathon.” What’s next for BHodl - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -READ OUR NEWSLETTER: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📬 https://newsletter.bitcoincollective.co/LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCASTSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06sBiOznJDxuhafDmkE9VK?si=3f0a8bb8abd64eecApple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-bitcoin-collective/id1561573613Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/AYHiNhTTv0HOgGEjRjWNYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@bitcoincollective?sub_confirmation=1All content provided by The Bitcoin Collective and guests in this episode is for informational and educational purposes only and is not meant to represent financial, trade or investment advice. Jordan is an investor in BHODL (ticker: HODL). He received no payment for this episode.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -EDITED BY JAMES PEARCE💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-pearcesf/Available now on YouTube and all major podcast platforms.How We’re Powering Lightning with a Bitcoin Treasury#Bitcoin #BitcoinTreasury #Fintech #BTC