The pound has lost 95% of its purchasing power since 1971. Every fiat currency in history has eventually gone to zero. Bitcoin might be the first money that actually holds its value — and building the financial services around it is what Piotr, Product Manager at Xapo Bank, has spent years working on.

In this episode, Jordan sits down with Piotr to explore:

• How Piotr Bedkowski went from ING Bank sceptic to fully orange-pilled Bitcoiner
• Why Xapo Bank only holds USD and BTC — and why that's a deliberate choice
• The case for borrowing against Bitcoin instead of selling it
• How Xapo's underground vaults earned the nickname "Fort Knox of Bitcoin"
• Why rehypothecation of collateral is off the table at Xapo — full stop
• Earning yield and monthly Bitcoin income from your existing stack
• What the "iPhone moment" for global Bitcoin adoption might actually look like
• Why Bitcoin-backed lending rates should, in theory, be the lowest in the world

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TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 Intro — Bitcoin is currency for the people

01:00 Welcome and Piotr's background

02:00 Joining Xapo Bank and building wealth products

04:00 Bitcoin-backed lending and yield on Bitcoin

06:00 Discovering Bitcoin twice — and why most people do

09:00 Looking for the next Bitcoin (and why that's a mistake)

10:00 Currency debasement — Argentina, Europe, and everywhere else

13:00 The history of money and why fiat always fails

17:00 What Xapo Bank is actually building and why

19:00 Self-custody vs. custodial — meeting people where they are

22:00 Inside Xapo's vaults — the Fort Knox of Bitcoin

27:00 MPC security and why transactions are now near-instant

32:00 How Xapo decides what products to build next

38:00 Bitcoin-backed cards and what's coming

42:00 Zero rehypothecation — and why it matters

44:00 The iPhone moment and Bitcoin's next ten years

48:00 Why Bitcoin-backed lending rates should be the lowest

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EDITED BY JAMES PEARCE

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This episode is for educational purposes only and does not constitute financial advice. Always do your own research.