Gary: Welcome to Search the Scriptures 24/7, a radio ministry of The Berean Call with T.A. McMahon. I’m Gary Carmichael. Thanks for joining us. In today’s program, Tom concludes a two-part series with guests Martin and Deidre Bobgan. Here’s TBC executive director Tom McMahon.

Tom: Thanks, Gary. Today’s program - this is a followup, part 2 with Martin and Deidre Bobgan. They are prolific writers; they’ve written more than 20 books, titles, they have papers available, a newsletter…you can download many of their books from their website, which is www.pamweb.org; or you can order the books, the hardcopies, from right here at The Berean Call.

Deidre, Martin, thanks again for being with me on Search the Scriptures 24/7.

Deidre: Thank you. It’s a pleasure and an honor.

Martin: Always a joy to speak with you, Tom.

Tom: You know, last week, as you know - you were there, I was there, okay - if you missed last week’s programs, folks, we established that psychological counseling is not a scientific endeavor. Martin gave you references in his books and other places that you could go for the documentation of what we’ve been saying, and it’s a myth that continues that Christians who are suffering from mental, emotional, or behavioral difficulties, that they need professional help to solve their problems.

Gary: Welcome to Search the Scriptures 24/7, a radio ministry of The Berean Call featuring T.A. McMahon. I’m Gary Carmichael. It’s great to have you with us! In today’s program, Tom wraps up a two-part series with guest Joe Keim as they address the question: Are the Amish Really Christians? Here’s TBC executive director, Tom McMahon.

Tom: Thanks, Gary. Well, this is part 2 of a conversation that I’m having with Joe Keim. The program is about Amish. Joe grew up Amish, as we learned last week, and he’s now a leader in MAP. And MAP is the Mission to the Amish People. Joe, welcome back to Search the Scriptures 24/7.

Joe: I appreciate it, Tom. It’s good to be back and to be able to share some of the things that we’ve shared so far.

Gary: Welcome to Search the Scriptures 24/7, a radio ministry of The Berean Call featuring T.A. McMahon. I’m Gary Carmichael. Thanks for tuning in. In today’s program, Tom launches a two-part series with guests, authors Martin and Deidre Bobgan. Here’s TBC executive director Tom McMahon.

Tom: Thanks, Gary. On today’s program and next week, as well, we’ll be discussing what the Scripture has to say about believers ministering to one another, which, sad to say, is foreign to the way most churches with rare exceptions go about counseling, even under the label of “biblical counseling.” My guests to discuss this important subject are Dr. Martin and Deidre Bobgan. They are prolific writers with more than 20 titles to their credit, nearly all addressing the scriptural problems with psychological counseling and Christian psychology, so-called. Many of their books can be downloaded from their website, which is www.pamweb.org, or you can order their books, their hardcopies, from The Berean Call.

Deidre, Martin, thanks for being with me again on Search the Scriptures 24/7.

Deidre: Well, thank you for inviting us. We always enjoy talking about these issues with you, Tom.

Martin: Yeah, thank you, Tom. It’s always a great pleasure to speak with you and interact.