What if hope isn't wishful thinking, but a leadership practice? Susan Clarke talks with Jess Lewis, founder of the Center for Hopeful Leadership, about the difference between optimism and hope—and why meaningful hope requires a vision for a better tomorrow, multiple pathways forward, and the agency to act. Their conversation explores leadership as a relational practice, organizations as living systems, the deeper roots of burnout, and the responsibility to create conditions in which emerging leaders can thrive. Jess also shares why they created the center: to build what they once needed, transform the loneliness of leadership, and help people and institutions create change that can endure beyond any single leader.

What if hope isn't wishful thinking, but a leadership practice? Susan Clarke talks with Jess Lewis, founder of the Center for Hopeful Leadership, about the difference between optimism and hope—and why meaningful hope requires a vision for a better tomorrow, multiple pathways forward, and the agency to act. Their conversation explores leadership as a relational practice, organizations as living systems, the deeper roots of burnout, and the responsibility to create conditions in which emerging leaders can thrive. Jess also shares why they created the center: to build what they once needed, transform the loneliness of leadership, and help people and institutions create change that can endure beyond any single leader.

What if resilience isn’t about getting tougher—but getting more connected?

I sat down with Robin Kelson to talk about Resilient Intelligence, living systems, Jill Bolte Taylor’s Whole Brain Living—and what nature might know that we humans keep forgetting.

We wander from brains to belonging, from forests to food systems, and into Robin’s wonderfully bold work with Abundant Montana: 33% Montana food on Montana plates by 2033.

At the heart of it all is a deceptively simple idea:

Living systems thrive through connection. So do we.

This one stretched my brain, opened my heart, and left me thinking differently about what it actually means to be resilient.

Come listen.