Chapters

00:00 Introduction to AI security challenges

02:05 Recent hacking incidents involving Hugging Face and Anthropic

04:01 How AI models find ways to cheat and bypass constraints

05:56 The challenge of containment and governance in AI safety

08:00 Lessons from recent AI security breaches

10:01 The role of human oversight in AI security testing

12:03 Cost and effectiveness of offensive AI security measures

13:54 Implications for critical infrastructure and national security

16:03 Policy and regulatory impacts on AI safety

17:52 Future strategies for AI containment and defense

20:11 Conclusion and key takeaways

HuggingFace: Anatomy of a Frontier Lab Agent Intrusion: A Technical Timeline of the July 2026 Incident

Hugging Face reconstructs an autonomous intrusion involving approximately 17,600 actions over a multiday campaign.

Anthropic: Investigating three real-world incidents in our cybersecurity evaluations

After reviewing 141,006 cybersecurity-evaluation runs, Anthropic identified three incidents in which Claude reached real organizations through evaluation infrastructure that had been mistakenly connected to the internet. The incidents spanned six runs and three models. Anthropic reached two of the affected organizations, neither of which had detected the activity before being notified. Anthropic did not disclose token usage or inference costs for these intrusions.

Anthropic: Discovering cryptographic weaknesses with Claude

Anthropic reports that Claude Mythos Preview progressed from finding implementation flaws in cryptographic libraries to identifying mathematical weaknesses in cryptographic algorithms themselves.

Hosts: Jerry Perullo (Founder, https://adversarial.com/)

Sounil Yu (Founder, https://www.knostic.ai/)

Mario Duarte (CISO, https://www.whirlai.com/)

Producer: Tillson Galloway (Founder, http://githoundexplore.com/)

00:00 The Adversarial Podcast

00:58 Hugging Face’s AI-driven incident disclosure

03:48 What makes an attack “AI-enabled”

06:04 Exploits, vulnerabilities, and bespoke code execution paths

10:03 AI attackers vs. AI defenders

11:19 Verification asymmetry: attackers vs. defenders

13:03 Detective controls, red teaming, and breach simulation

16:41 Why AI defenders matter

26:25 Gold Eagle / national coordination of vulnerability discovery

28:25 The real bottleneck is remediation, not discovery

37:04 CMMC and the cost of certification

42:15 Is certification effective, or just paperwork?

48:09 Threat-based validation as a better model

51:36 Closing thoughts: the security arms race

Hugging Face Agentic Compromise

A security incident shows how agentic workflows and delegated access can create new paths for compromise.

Gold Eagle Initiative

The White House launches a new effort to coordinate vulnerability discovery and response across the federal cybersecurity ecosystem.

CMMC Phase 2 Requirements

The Department of War suspends CMMC Phase 2 requirements, reshaping the compliance timeline for defense contractors and the broader federal supply chain.

Hosts: Jerry Perullo (Founder, https://adversarial.com/)

Sounil Yu (Founder, https://www.knostic.ai/)

Mario Duarte (Founder, stealth startup)

Producer: Tillson Galloway (Founder, http://githoundexplore.com/)

In this episode, Jerry, Mario, and Sounil delve into cybersecurity challenges related to travel, threat models, AI security, and best practices for startups. They explore practical strategies for managing security risks in a rapidly evolving digital landscape, emphasizing the importance of threat modeling, secure coding, and organizational priorities.

00:00 Intro

01:55 Travel Restrictions and Security Concerns

06:51 Burner Phones and Laptops: A Necessary Evil?

09:50 Threat Models and Espionage Risks

14:38 AI and Cybersecurity: New Frontiers

19:41 Listener Questions and Community Engagement

22:53 The Evolution of AI Security Frameworks

26:29 Understanding New Attack Surfaces in AI

28:56 The Role of Automation in Security

31:05 Challenges of Non-Technical Users in Security

33:53 Best Practices for Managing Credentials

38:16 Building Security from the Ground Up

41:52 Compliance vs. Security in Startups

48:02 Understanding Security Constructs

51:06 Prioritizing Security Controls

52:48 The Role of SAST in Security

59:38 AI and Vulnerability Management

01:02:15 Coordinating Vulnerability Disclosure