What happens when a lawyer refuses to stay in one lane?

Asha Smith has spent her career doing exactly that.

Public defender. Professor. Mediator. Appellate advocate. Civil rights lawyer. Bar association leader. Artist.

While many attorneys are told that success comes from narrowing their focus, Asha built her career by pursuing multiple interests and refusing to separate creativity from legal practice.

In this episode, Asha joins Neal Goldstein to discuss why she believes lawyers limit themselves unnecessarily, how creativity strengthens advocacy, and why professional growth often comes from experiences outside the courtroom.

The conversation explores public defense, mediation, legal education, bar association leadership, diversity in the legal profession, and the importance of building a career that reflects who you are rather than who others expect you to be.

For lawyers questioning whether they have to choose between professional success and personal fulfillment, Asha offers a different perspective: you only get one life, so why spend it doing just one thing?

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Victor Suthammanont's path to becoming a lawyer was anything but traditional.

Before entering the legal profession, he studied drama at NYU Tisch, founded a theater company, wrote screenplays, and performed stand-up comedy across New York City. Eventually, he went to New York Law School, clerked for a federal appeals judge, spent years at the SEC, and became a litigation partner while continuing to write fiction late at night after legal work was done.

In this conversation with Neal Goldstein, Victor explains how storytelling, acting, and vulnerability shaped the way he practices law and understands people. They discuss depositions, trial advocacy, emotional intelligence, client trust, and the pressure many lawyers feel to hide who they really are.

The episode also centers on Victor's acclaimed novel Hollow Spaces, a legal thriller inspired by the emotional aftermath of an acquittal. Together, Neal and Victor explore whether the justice system can ever truly deliver justice, what happens after public suspicion takes hold, and why winning in court does not always mean winning in life.

Victor also reflects on grief, losing his father during the writing process, and the importance of authenticity for young lawyers trying to build careers that actually fit who they are.

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Most lawyers are taught that networking means legal mixers, bar association dinners, and handing out business cards to strangers. Neal Goldstein explains why that approach often feels transactional and why it rarely creates meaningful long-term relationships.

In this episode, Neal shares how shifting away from traditional legal networking helped shape his career, his client relationships, and ultimately the growth of his law practice. From his involvement with multiple sclerosis organizations inspired by his mother's illness, to building community connections through the JCC, Neal explains why authentic relationships create stronger opportunities than forced professional interactions.

He also breaks down how lawyers can build deeper trust with clients by treating them like people instead of files, why proactive communication matters, and how long-term relationships often become the strongest referral source a lawyer can have.

This episode is for lawyers trying to grow a practice without feeling fake, transactional, or disconnected from the people they serve.

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