This month's Deep & Shallow gets a little deeper than usual. Jamie the Great updates us on her oral cancer journey and the experimental treatment she’s currently undergoing for precancerous lesions in her mouth. The good news? The treatment is working. The not-so-good news? It hurts. A lot.

Jamie talks candidly about what it’s like to live with ongoing oral cancer monitoring, travel to Dana-Farber Cancer Institute every three months, undergo a painful six-week treatment, and still try to show up for work, workouts, family and everyday life when eating, sleeping and even talking hurt.

She also shares the emotional blow of learning that the doctor she trusted throughout this process is leaving Dana-Farber.

As Jamie puts it, right now she feels like she’s “doing life and not living it.”

We talk about the things that help her feel grounded and give her some sense of control, including continuing to work out, trying to follow an anti-inflammatory diet and, in breaking news finally giving up Crystal Light after drinking it since the ’90s.

And because this is Deep & Shallow, we eventually make our way from oral cancer to salmon, sending a kid off to college at UC Santa Barbara, the freedom of walking around in a bikini, New Orleans vs. San Francisco body culture. Plus we go back to our freshman-year cake decorating competition that we bombed!

In this episode we talk about:

• Jamie’s oral cancer diagnosis and ongoing precancer monitoring
• Experimental treatment for oral precancerous lesions
• The painful side effects of treatment
• Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and specialized oral cancer care
• Losing a trusted doctor during cancer treatment
• Trying to work, exercise and function while undergoing treatment
• Anti-inflammatory eating when your mouth hurts
• Why Jamie finally quit Crystal Light
• Sending a child off to college
• UCSB and Santa Barbara beach life
• New Orleans vs. San Francisco culture
• And our spectacularly mediocre high-school cake competition

If you’re navigating oral cancer, precancer treatment, chronic illness, cancer survivorship, caregiving or the emotional ups and downs of midlife health, we hope Jamie’s story makes you feel a little less alone.

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Are muscles deep... or shallow?

In this episode of Deep & Shallow, Debbie and Jamie the Great tackle a topic that's far more complicated than it first appears.

They dive into the pressure women face around body image, the rise of GLP-1 weight loss medications, the difference between pursuing health versus chasing thinness, and why strength matters so much more than the number on the scale.

The conversation gets personal as they share stories about disordered eating, body dysmorphia, aging, Hollywood beauty standards, and how fitness has become a form of mental health—not punishment.

Then, true to Deep & Shallow fashion, they lighten things up with Jersey Shore memories, fly traps, Love Island, hula hoops, ballet classes, pickleball, and why trying something new can reconnect you with the person you used to be.

Whether you're navigating menopause, rebuilding your confidence, or simply trying to stay healthy in a world obsessed with being skinny, this episode is an honest reminder that taking care of yourself isn't vanity—it's longevity.

In this episode we discuss:

• The cultural obsession with being thin
• GLP-1 medications and the changing conversation around weight loss
• Body image and body dysmorphia
• Midlife wellness and women's health
• The mental health benefits of exercise
• Why doing hard things first changes your day
• Heart health wake-up calls
• Returning to childhood passions like dance
• Creativity, movement, and getting out of your comfort zone
• Jersey Shore nostalgia and lifelong friendships
• Pickleball, hula hoops, ballet, and finding joy in movement

If you've ever looked in the mirror and wondered whether you're chasing health—or perfection—this conversation is for you and your bestie!

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At just 16 years old, Hayden Laufgraven heard the words no teenager expects:

"You have leukemia."

What followed was hospitalisation, chemotherapy, a bone marrow transplant, remission, relapse, another transplant, months of isolation, and learning how to never give up.

In this deeply moving episode of Talking Smack 415, Jamie the Great and I sit down with Hayden to talk about what it's really like to be diagnosed with Acute Myeloid Leukemia (AML) as a teenager, the emotional toll of the diagnosis and surviving cancer, and the often-overlooked reality of PTSD after cancer treatment.

Hayden shares his remarkable perspective on resilience, friendship, identity, and why surviving cancer doesn't mean the journey is over.

Whether you've experienced cancer yourself, love someone who has, or simply need a reminder of the strength of the human spirit, this conversation will stay with you long after it ends. Hayden is wise beyond his years.

In this episode we discuss:

• What it's like being diagnosed with Acute Myeloid Leukemia (AML) at age 16
• The signs and symptoms that led to his leukemia diagnosis
• Chemotherapy, remission, relapse, and undergoing two bone marrow transplants
• How donor registries and bone marrow matching work
• The physical and emotional impact of cancer treatment
• PTSD and trauma after surviving cancer
• Rebuilding strength after months of chemotherapy and isolation
• The importance of friendship, family, and community during illness
• Mental resilience and finding hope through uncertainty
• Life after cancer and returning to college, sports, and everyday life

Hayden's honesty, maturity, and optimism offer an extraordinary reminder that resilience isn't about pretending you're fearless—it's about continuing to move forward anyway.

Follow Hayden on TikTok: @haydenlauf

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Cancer changes lives—but so does hope.

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