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In this powerful and honest conversation, Christy Boulware is joined by her husband Troy and pastors Devin and Dustin Thacker to explore what the Church should be—and where it’s gone wrong. Together, they dive into personal experiences, spiritual abuse, unhealthy leadership models, and the corporate mindset that has crept into many churches. From the pain of being discarded to the misuse of titles and programs over people, this episode holds space for real talk and real healing.

They also cast a hopeful vision of restoration: one rooted in discipleship, roundtable leadership, healthy conflict resolution, and a return to servant-hearted community. Whether you've been hurt by the Church or are longing to be part of a healthier one, this episode offers both empathy and direction.

Oh—and don’t miss the lighthearted French fry draft at the end!

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