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This discussion on ways to improve MASH patient management comes from the early July roundtable on "Major Issues of the First Six Months of 2025." As a reminder, that roundtable included the three co-hosts (Louise, Jörn Schattenberg and Roger Green)

Roger drives this conversation, focusing on two very different, yet very important issues: the first is the increasing dynamism of the in-office scanning market, with leader Echosens developing new products and services, while companies like e-Scopics, Sonic Incytes, and Mindray (Hepatus) are introducing new devices with competing profiles. Roger discusses the idea that some scanners keep all data resident in the machine, while others send it immediately to the cloud. Louise suggests that while we should welcome any reliable scanning device to the market, Echosens has a significant advantage in terms of data richness and depth when compared to all competitors. (NOTE: This benefit became clearer when Echosens submitted a Letter of Intent to the FDA to qualify liver stiffness measurement (LSM) using VCTE, as found in FibroScan, as a reasonably likely surrogate endpoint in clinical trials for MASH.

Separately, he lists some concerns about how the Trump Administration's focus on cutting services to the poor, coupled with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s distrust of pharmaceuticals and mainstream health research, might limit the number of Americans with access to healthcare and the kinds of care they can access.

At the end of this conversation, Roger asks Jörn and Louise what they consider major issues for the next six months.

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Last month, The Lancet posted online an article from Stine Johansen, Fredrik Åberg, Emmanuel Tsochatzis and Aleksander Krag, titled "Screening for Advanced Liver Disease." The article aims to update the Wilson and Jungner criteria, initially developed in 1960, to address modern needs and issues. In this conversation, Professor Krag and Dr. Johansen join Roger Green to discuss their article.

There are many nuances and high points to cover in this thoughtful, fairly lengthy conversation, but one key point is that screening a mass population for HCC or cirrhosis has an entirely different set of issues and criteria compared to the screening usually discussed on this podcast, which involves identifying a population at increased risk for MASLD or MASH and screening them. Also, healthcare is far more expensive than it was in 1960 with a plethora of high-cost ways to diagnose, treat and manage patients.

As a result, the authors started with the 10 Wilson and Jungner criteria and added eight more. During this conversation, Stine emphasizes the need for a comprehensive clinical trial on this issue, and all panelists agree that LiverAIM is likely to serve as the study.

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This discussion on ways to improve MASH patient management comes from the early July roundtable on "Major Issues of the First Six Months of 2025." As a reminder, that roundtable included the three co-hosts (Louise, Jörn Schattenberg and Roger Green)

Louise drives this conversation based on two related issues she sees emerging: (i) increasing opportunities for motivated patients to manage their own health and (ii) managing the total patient in an environment where people may be taking incretin agonists as if they are consumer drugs. With increased access to scanning, providers can monitor patients (and patients can self-monitor) more closely. However, some of the issues a provider might find are tricky: patients who undertake what Louise describes as "the sneaky areas patients think are normal, but are probably contributing to disease" due to miseducation or no education on healthy eating and lifestyle, or patients purchasing and using incretin agonists through consumer channels, but possibly at subtherapeutic doses. Vigilance and probing are key here, but health systems will need to train more people on the types of probing that uncover underlying issues and behaviors that patients mistakenly believe to be healthy.

The discussion also extends to the role of NITs in diagnosis and patient management, and how providers need to shift the paradigm away from describing a patient by fibrosis stage and instead focus on the amount of fat in the liver and its overall suppleness.