This episode unpacks the formation of the First Presidency and the deep loyalty between Joseph Smith and Frederick G. Williams. Gunnar and Rebecca explore what it means to “strengthen the feeble knees,” including personal stories of how the Lord sustains us during fearful times. The violent attack on Joseph and Sidney Rigdon is recounted in stark detail, followed by a moving song from Emma’s perspective. They close with insights on the Lord’s storehouse and the importance of reaching beyond our church communities to care for those in need.

In this moving episode, Rebecca and Gunnar dive into D&C 77–80, drawing connections between missionary work, personal sacrifice, and spiritual maturity. They reflect on Joseph Smith’s questions about Revelation and how seeking divine answers is an act of faith, not doubt. Through discussions of Newel K. Whitney’s consecrated wealth and Jared Carter’s repeated missionary service, they highlight how commitment to the Lord’s work often comes with a cost—but also with sweetness. The hosts also share deeply personal stories about how trying to say “yes” to God changes us. Listeners are reminded that while the Lord may not give us easy paths, He does promise to “lead you along.”

Note: We had a few technical hiccups this week that affected Rebecca’s audio and video quality. Thanks for your patience—we promise the conversation is still worth it!

What happens when you realize that heaven isn’t “us vs. them”—but instead, a loving invitation to grow into all that God is? Rebecca and Gunnar examine that question through the lens of Doctrine and Covenants 76. They explore how this vision opened a broader, more hopeful understanding of God’s plan and shattered old, judgmental traditions. Along the way, they share stories of friends who demanded high standards, the experience of confronting personal pride, and what it means to strive for exaltation—not just salvation. A personal poem and an inspiring song from Brother Joseph help frame the emotional and spiritual power of this conversation.