On this episode of Off the Clock, I’m joined by my friend Courtney, who is my old business travel buddy, a great friend, and drop dead hilarious. Here’s some of what we talk about:

First question (admittedly, a gimme): What does the term “reverse date” mean to you?

• the insane reason Courtney was worried about having kids
• our friendship and how as corporate trainers we developed the chemistry of an old vaudeville team
• why powdered eggs are superior in a catering buffet to real eggs
• my theory that everyone loves a woman who tells a good dirty joke
• (there’s a break in the action where a lifeguard makes an actual save in the pool)
• how synchronized swimming in many ways hasn’t changed in probably 100 years and is a valid survival skill
• how we’re both charming and engaging, but how we cannot carry a relationship on our own and need others to raise their game and be funny too
• the time Courtney’s dog Jeffrey greeted Sen. Bernie Sanders a little too enthusiastically
• Courtney’s incredible resume and the fact that she carries a (metaphorical) switchblade on her at all times
• the patriarchy and the irritating unearned entitlement of many in the management class
• doing jobs that teach you how to deal with jerks
• being obsequious with restaurant servers to cosmically balance out how many crappy customers they deal with
• self-awareness, tactical vests, fingerless gloves, and playing drinking games
• what would she tell the men of the world that would make the world better?
• holy hell do we laugh in this episode. this is very fast-paced, so funny, and totally full of love. what a great time!

Theme song by Sorry Sweetheart.

Logo by Nebulus Visions.

Produced by Deft Communications.

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Recorded at my swim club on a gorgeous day.