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  • EP 253: Women's Care Back in Women's Hands – Sobadas, the Womb Continuum, and the Power of Reparative Touch with Andrea Terrones

    EP 253: Women's Care Back in Women's Hands – Sobadas, the Womb Continuum, and the Power of Reparative Touch with Andrea Terrones
    2026/10/18
    In this episode, Kimberly speaks with Andrea Terrones, founder and lead teacher of Ma School and of Ma, her women's health and bodywork practice in Valle de Bravo, Mexico. Andrea traces her path from doula work, where she saw a gap in postpartum care, through a decade of seeking out traditional Mexican midwives and sobadoras, internal pelvic work, and scar tissue training, to building the long-form school she wishes had existed when she started. They talk about sobadas as lifelong community care, her teachers who saw every girl monthly from her first bleed to her deathbed, and what it means to learn a tradition's practices with respect rather than extraction. Kimberly lays out the professional landscape for anyone who wants to work with the pelvis, birth, and women's health, and why two years of hands-on training builds what a weekend cannot. They discuss the normalization of prolapse and incontinence, postpartum depression as incomplete physiological recovery, the shame that keeps women from looking at their own bodies, and why the field needs collaboration rather than competition. They close on a shared vision: a practitioner in every town, and women's care back in women's hands. Bio Andrea Terrones is the founder and lead teacher of Ma School and of Ma, her women's health and bodywork practice based in Valle de Bravo, Mexico, working with women worldwide. She left medical school in search of a medicine that could hold the whole body, and spent more than a decade apprenticing with traditional midwives, sobadoras, and curanderas across Mexico, a path that led her back to the matriarchal lineage of Juchitán, Oaxaca, that she comes from through her grandmothers. She began her career as a doula and specialized for many years in postpartum care, pairing traditional Mexican medicine with formal training in pelvic bodywork, body-mind psychotherapy, and functional medicine and nutrition. Her work brings together hands-on work in the pelvis, womb, and abdomen, functional nutrition, somatic practice, and ceremony. Founded in 2023, Ma School offers a two-year certification for Womb Continuum Practitioners and has trained more than 70 women from over 15 countries. She is a mother of two. What She Shares The postpartum gap that set her searching for teachers for nearly a decade Grieving the support she knew was possible but could not receive in her own postpartum Sobadas, the traditional Mexican bodywork that realigns the organs and the womb How internal pelvic work, fascia, and scar tissue work joined her practice Why weekend trainings left her and other women unsure of their hands Her teachers as community holders, tending girls monthly from first bleed to deathbed What her teachers said when she asked permission to teach their work Why being trained in a circle of women heals the sister wound How the two-year program is structured, and why it is built for in-person practice Why the field needs more teachers and more practitioners, not fewer What You'll Hear Kimberly on the professional paths open to people who want to work with birth and the pelvis Sexological bodywork, STREAM, and Holistic Pelvic Care: what each offers and what is missing Why a two-year training is not too long for someone with no touch background Kimberly's 35-minute session that resolved a new mother's tailbone pain Advanced doula training without the on-call life Prolapse and diastasis as diagnoses no one actually looked for Cultural appropriation, cultural continuity, and the problem with learning rebozo in a weekend Womb work traditions in Thailand, India, and the Philippines Kimberly's 800 sessions in three years and the waiting lists that followed Competition, proprietary attitudes, and the case for standing shoulder to shoulder How hands-on work changes the practitioner's own anxiety, depression, and isolation The myth of inevitable prolapse, and studies that normalize decline Postpartum depression as incomplete physiological recovery The siloed care that sends a crying postpartum woman from PT to psychotherapy and back Why so many women have never looked at their own vulva What Kimberly will teach in the training: intakes, session framing, and the nervous system in the tissues Dates, retreats, and how to apply Resources Website (Ma School): https://maschool.co Apply: https://form.typeform.com/to/PBmpdC4P Practitioner Directory: https://maschool.co/directory Next cohort: Begins March 2027. Applications open.
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    50 分
  • EP 253: Season of the Witch – Inner Authority, Menopause as Initiation, and Learning to See in the Dark with Dr. Ellen Vora

    EP 253: Season of the Witch – Inner Authority, Menopause as Initiation, and Learning to See in the Dark with Dr. Ellen Vora
    2026/10/11
    In this episode, Kimberly speaks with Dr. Ellen Vora, holistic psychiatrist, acupuncturist, yoga teacher, and author of The Anatomy of Anxiety, on the eve of her new book, Season of the Witch: A Psychiatrist's Case for Magic. They begin with perception: how Ellen's credentials serve as a platform from which to question conventional medicine, and how loss, not training, is what gave her any authority of her own. Ellen explains why the title came to her in prayer, and why she expects criticism from both ends of the witchy spectrum. Speaking in the wake of the Lindsay Clancy trial, they look at how female life thresholds have been psychiatrized, what an unsupported postpartum mother actually needs, and why a prescription is often the only tool left in the room. Kimberly names the pattern of exceptions becoming rules across birth, fertility, and mental health. They turn to rites of passage and the communities that can sit with big emotions. They then turn to menopause, where Ellen offers her theory that menopausal symptoms borrow the body's postpartum software, and Kimberly describes her own transition as a portal of learning to see in the dark. They close on information overload, wearables and the atrophy of listening, Ellen's choice to join a national conversation on psychiatric medication, and what it means to stay purple. Bio Ellen Vora, MD, is a holistic psychiatrist, acupuncturist, and yoga teacher. She received her B.A. in English from Yale University and her M.D. from Columbia University, and she is board-certified in psychiatry and integrative holistic medicine. She takes a functional medicine approach to mental health, considering the whole person and addressing imbalance at the root, with a focus on depression, anxiety, insomnia, women's mental health, and medication withdrawal support. She is the author of The Anatomy of Anxiety: Understanding and Overcoming the Body's Fear Response, and of Season of the Witch: A Psychiatrist's Case for Magic (Random House, October 2026), which offers five practices for reclaiming the full spectrum of our intelligence: embodiment, presence, valuing the yin, being open to mystery, and serving the collective. She lives in New York City with her husband and daughter. What She Shares Why her medical credentials exist so she can say "that's not the whole story" How loss, including losing her parents and pregnancy losses, gave her more authority than any training How the title Season of the Witch arrived through prayer, and why it wasn't up for negotiation What an unsupported postpartum mother needs, and why a prescription is so often what she gets The hidden costs of psychiatric medication: dependence, interdose withdrawal, depersonalization, and akathisia Rites of passage as the ground where inner authority and discernment are built Her theory of menopause as a medical anomaly, and why symptoms may borrow from the postpartum blueprint Learning to see in the dark as the value older women hold for the culture Why constant listening to the body outperforms any formula, macro, or wearable Taking work decisions to spirit, and being socially blind enough to accept the mission What You'll Hear Kimberly and Ellen as Harper Wave bookmates, and two books with "season" in the title Flossing the edge between being responsible to authority and handing people their own "Look at me, I'm a witch" versus "look at you, you're a witch" Expecting criticism from both the Christian and Wiccan ends of the spectrum What people actually mean when they say "mental health" The Lindsay Clancy trial and the push for more postpartum screening Pain versus suffering, and the unnecessary suffering in how mental health care is applied Kimberly on intervention, exceptions becoming rules, and IVF without eroticism "Are you in therapy?" as a box to check Why we apologize for crying, and what it would mean to pull up a chair instead Kimberly's menopause: hot flashes, night waking, and a portal of life review The orca grandmother effect and why elders need the maiden and mother energy Is there a flaw in the female design, or in the male one? Trading algorithms for a "dolphin phone" Skipping heavy weights for an Epsom salt bath on the heaviest day of her period The RFK Jr. interview, the SSRI roundtable, and Laura Delano's Unshrunk Being purple, and why new voices at the policy table give Ellen hope Resources Website: https://ellenvora.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ellenvoramd/ (@ellenvoramd) Season of the Witch: A Psychiatrist's Case for Magic (Random House, October 13, 2026): https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/776546/season-of-the-witch-by-ellen-vora-md/ The Anatomy of Anxiety: Understanding and Overcoming the Body's Fear Response: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-anatomy-of-anxiety-ellen-vora Book tour and events: https://ellenvora.com/book-tour/
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    48 分
  • EP 252: Coming Home – Ancestral Healing, Emergency Medicine, and Advocating from a Regulated Place with Dr. Vanessa Calderón

    EP 252: Coming Home – Ancestral Healing, Emergency Medicine, and Advocating from a Regulated Place with Dr. Vanessa Calderón
    2026/10/05
    In this episode, Kimberly speaks with Dr. Vanessa Calderón, an emergency physician, master executive coach, and healer from a lineage of ancestral healers in Mexico and El Salvador. Introduced by an ER doctor Kimberly met on a flight, Vanessa traces her path from the five-year-old who dreamed of being a missionary doctor, through healthcare access activism and UCLA medical school, to the emergency room, where diagnoses like "abdominal pain, not otherwise specified" showed her the limits of Western medicine. She describes the voice that told her, mid-run on a Northern California beach, that it was time to come home, and the decade of apprenticeship with Latin American healers that followed. They talk about what med school does to the nervous system, the new language of well-being entering medical training, and the pain that told her to step away from the ER for a season. At the heart of the conversation is a practical question for anyone who listens to their body and still needs a doctor: how to advocate for yourself from regulation rather than fear. They close on rewilding, motherhood, Vanessa's vision of medicine built on power with rather than power over, and how the current framing of menopause reflects a broader shift in consciousness. Bio Dr. Vanessa Calderón is a Harvard graduate and board-certified emergency physician, a Master Executive Coach, and a Neuroplasticity Trainer with more than 20 years of leadership experience and a decade of business development expertise. A first-generation Latina from a long line of ancestral healers, she apprenticed directly with Indigenous healers of Mexico and Central America. Through Calderón Co., she coaches physicians, executives, and mission-driven leaders, weaving leadership and business strategy with nervous system work, identity work, and ancestral wisdom so they can create meaningful impact without sacrificing their health, relationships, or sense of self. She also leads Resourced Wealth, a six-week, healing-centered program on money, power, and capacity. She is the host of The Authentic Path podcast, which explores the intersection of leadership, performance science, and ancient wisdom. She continues to practice emergency medicine and lives in Atlanta with her family. What She Shares How a lineage of Mexican and Salvadoran healers, and a teenage rejection of them, led her into Western medicine Why "abdominal pain, not otherwise specified" became the crack in her faith in the system The voice on a beach run that told her it was time to come home Building a meditation practice in residency, one minute at a time What medical training does to the nervous system, and how the language of well-being is changing it The attending who taught her that a patient knows their body better than the doctor does The left wrist pain that told her to step away from the ER, and how she listened Why the patient-physician relationship should be a partnership, and when to walk away from one How to advocate for yourself from regulation instead of fear Rewilding as coming home to yourself and to everything around you Her vision of medicine built on power with rather than power over What You'll Hear How a chance first-class seat brought Kimberly and Vanessa together The five-year-old who wanted to be a missionary doctor Christianity, shame, and women's bodies, and what she kept from her upbringing Whether anything in the core medical curriculum could make room for trauma and energetics Kimberly on Brazil's cesarean culture and doctors who were never taught vaginal birth Do doctors have to quit medicine to practice in line with their values? Kimberly's doula years and how defensive boundaries escalate a birth room Recognizing your own signs of dysregulation before you walk into an appointment Small, human requests in the exam room: eye contact, warm hands, a pause Setting an intention for the outcome you want before you see the doctor How motherhood changed the way she treats children and parents in the ER The "menopause mafia," the hormone debate, and a shift in collective consciousness Resources Website (Calderón Co.): https://www.calderonco.org Podcast, The Authentic Path: https://www.theauthenticpathpodcast.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1807391306 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0t14N6wKrEvh3MsfklhGMn Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/vanessacalderonmd/ (@vanessacalderonmd) Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/vanessacalderonmd/ Resourced Wealth (six-week program): https://www.calderonco.org/resourced-wealth
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    47 分
  • EP 251: The Great Void – Menopause as Initiation, the Secret Teacher, and the Decommissioning of the Mind with Alexandra Pope and Sjanie Hugo Wurlitzer

    EP 251: The Great Void – Menopause as Initiation, the Secret Teacher, and the Decommissioning of the Mind with Alexandra Pope and Sjanie Hugo Wurlitzer
    2026/09/27

    In this episode, Kimberly speaks with Alexandra Pope and Sjanie Hugo Wurlitzer about the spiritual power of menopause. Pope and Wurlitzer are co-founders of Red School and authors of Wild Power and Wise Power. Each woman traces the turning point that led them to this work: for Alexandra, sudden and relentless menstrual pain at 31 and the decision to listen to her body; for Sjanie, seven years on hormonal contraception and the return of her cycle, which brought her inner life back online. Kimberly, two and a half years postmenopause, asks what women orbit once the menstrual cycle no longer guides them. They explore menopause as a great void and an initiation, the two "superpowers" of no and sight, the menstruality life arc as a turning of seasons, ego death and the dismantling of the psyche, and brain fog as the "decommissioning" of the mind. The conversation turns to what's missing culturally: elders and "secret teachers" who can dignify the passage, allies and listening partners, and a framing that doesn't pathologize. They close on choice, including the choice of medical support, as its own act of inner authority, and on Red School's October programming for Menopause Awareness Month.

    Bio

    Alexandra Pope and Sjanie Hugo Wurlitzer are the co-founders of Red School and pioneers of the emerging field of menstruality. They are the co-authors of Wild Power: Discover the Magic of the Menstrual Cycle and Awaken the Feminine Path to Power (Hay House, 2017) and Wise Power: Discover the Liberating Power of Menopause to Awaken Authority, Purpose and Belonging (Hay House, 2022), and the creators of the Menstruality Medicine Circle™. Drawing on backgrounds in psychotherapy, hypnotherapy, coaching, embodied movement, teaching, and facilitation, they teach a psycho-spiritual approach to health, creativity, leadership, and spiritual life rooted in menstrual cycle awareness and conscious menopause. Alexandra, a psychotherapist, began this work in her early 30s, first sharing her discoveries in workshops at Sydney's Royal Hospital for Women. Together they have spent decades listening to thousands of women's experiences of the journey from menarche to menopause, and they teach worldwide through Red School's courses, trainings, and online events.

    What They Share

    • How severe menstrual pain at 31 led Alexandra to listen to her body and begin the work that became Red School

    • Sjanie's seven years on hormonal contraception and the "technicolor" return of her inner life when her cycle came back

    • Why menstrual cycle awareness is a training ground for inner authority

    • Menopause as a great void and an initiation, not a medical event to manage

    • The two superpowers of menopause: the power of no and the power of sight

    • The menstruality life arc as seasons, with menopause as winter and a fertile void

    • Ego death, the dismantling of the psyche, and brain fog as the "decommissioning" of the mind

    • Why we need elders and "secret teachers" who can dignify the passage

    • Listening partnerships, allies, and Wise Power as a companion through the transition

    • Choosing medical support as its own act of inner authority

    What You'll Hear

    • Kimberly's postpartum realization: "it's all a lie"

    • What we orbit when we're no longer cycling with the moon

    • Why charting with the moon may not speak to people in the thick of menopause, and when it might

    • "I don't recognize myself": the falling away of habits, roles, and performance

    • Facing the shadow and dearmoring on the approach to menopause

    • Kimberly's reframe of symptoms as "indicators" and the 47 changes she tracked

    • The cultural absence of a dignified framing, and what it costs women

    • Birth, dying, and menopause as the great initiations no one sails through

    • The edge between martyrdom and relief: HRT, epidurals, and whether the rite still happens

    • What to do if you don't have a secret teacher

    • The moment you want to burn the house down, and what actually needs burning

    • Red School's October programming for Menopause Awareness Month

    Resources

    • Website: https://www.redschool.net/

    • Instagram: @red.school

    • Menopause Event (free, three days, starting Oct 12)
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    54 分
  • EP 250: Honrar la Voz - Lineage, the Body, and Creating Without Pain with Carolina Mama

    EP 250: Honrar la Voz - Lineage, the Body, and Creating Without Pain with Carolina Mama
    2026/09/23
    Kimberly speaks with Carolina Mama: Argentine composer, singer-songwriter, filmmaker and photographer, calling in from Barcelona. They met in Santa Fe and worked together on the photographs for the Erotic Seasons era of Kimberly's work, and this conversation sits at the intersection of artistry, spirituality, liberation and social justice. Carolina traces her ear through the folkloric rhythms that lived in her body before she had names for them, to a full scholarship at the New School in New York and the research through Morocco that led to her debut album, Amina. They talk about making peace with being loved and hated at once, why the audience is a co-author rather than a jury, and the night at Lincoln Center when she understood that a version of herself had just died on stage. The second half provides a peek into the contemporary music industry: where artists are asked to arrive tour ready, audience ready, content ready and team ready with no infrastructure behind them. She speaks about arriving in the U.S. and discovering she was not white here, about gratitude alongside the loss of safety on a working visa, and about the Latina archetype the market keeps handing her, which she refuses. They close on synesthesia and the weave between film and music, on psychology as curiosity rather than analysis, on the trauma frame and what it costs art, on the surname she chose in order to honor her grandfather, and a long exchange about collaboration, elders, and what it means to be in service. BIO Carolina Mama is an Argentine singer, composer, musician and filmmaker. Her debut solo album, Amina, was released in September 2025, co-produced and recorded in Los Angeles with Lau Noah and Emily Elbert, rooting the folkloric traditions of Latin America and North Africa in the improvisational spirit of jazz and a cinematic sense of narrative. The record takes its name from Amina El Filali, a sixteen year old girl in Larache, Morocco, whose story Carolina encountered while researching folkloric music composed and performed by women; that story, together with her involvement in the Ni Una Menos movement in Argentina, shaped the album into a testimony for silenced lives and a call for gender based violence prevention. She studied film at the Universidad Nacional del Arte in Buenos Aires and was working in the industry by seventeen, before a full scholarship brought her to the New School for Jazz and Contemporary Music in New York, where she chose the Argentine pianist and composer Guillermo Klein as her mentor. A former member of the collective projects Nacarola and Levana, she has sung alongside Juan Carlos Baglietto, Lito Vitale, Julia Zenko and León Gieco, and has performed at Lincoln Center, the Joyce Theater, Pregones Theater and Zinc Bar. She has toured and traveled through Mexico, Europe, South America and Morocco, and splits her time between Brooklyn and Santa Fe. She spoke for this episode from Barcelona. WHAT SHE SHARES How a teenage bedroom in Argentina, one CD at a time, built the ear she still writes with The move to New York, the full scholarship, and the feeling of having touched the ceiling at home Making peace with being loved and hated, and the person who always finds you after the show The audience as co-author: how a room changes the music while it is being played The night at Lincoln Center when the fear did not come, and what she understood from that What intimacy means to her, and why desire and life force come before any song Silence as the condition for the muse, outside the body and inside the head The state of the music industry: smaller rooms, rarer live music, artists asked to arrive fully built Why she stopped subscribing to constant output, and what her body had to do to make that decision What actually supports an artist, and why she will not consume AI music Arriving in the U.S. and discovering she was not white here Gratitude for what the country gave her, alongside the loss of safety on a working visa The Latina archetype the market expects, and her refusal to be digestible Synesthesia, and why she does not separate the filmmaker from the musician Psychology as curiosity rather than analysis, and why analyzing her own art would kill it Refusing to romanticize trauma, and learning what it is to create from joy How she became Carolina Mama, and the grandfather she chose to honor Her filters for a collaborator, and why she needs trust built slowly before she opens WHAT YOU'LL HEAR Totó la Momposina, Susana Baca, Mercedes Sosa and Caetano Veloso alongside Radiohead, Portishead and No Doubt How Gnawa music and the women's folkloric traditions of Morocco reopened her ear Cooking, nature, and the moments of no time that bring her back into creating Her advice to anyone beginning: do it until you fall in love with the process, then ask what is making you hurt Writers who write every day and writers who do not, and where she lands Tour ready, audience ready, ...
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  • EP 249: Mothering the Mother – Granny Midwifery, the Lying-In, and Diasporic Memory with Shafia Monroe

    EP 249: Mothering the Mother – Granny Midwifery, the Lying-In, and Diasporic Memory with Shafia Monroe
    2026/09/13
    In this episode, Kimberly speaks with Shafia Monroe, the renowned midwife, doula trainer, cultural historian, and author of Mothering the Mother: African American Postpartum Traditions, Recipes, and Healing, with a foreword by Erykah Badu. Shafia begins with the inheritance she was raised on: a second-generation Boston Catholic mother who told her to burn the bra and not to stay anywhere she was unhappy, and a rural foot-washing Alabama father who turned an empty Boston lot into collard greens and turnips before anyone called it a community garden. From there the conversation follows the diasporic threads she has spent four decades tracing, from her father eating with his right hand to the Senegalese village where she watched women shape a newborn's head exactly as her mother had shaped her niece's. They talk about what enslavement broke in African-American postpartum culture and what was rebuilt after it: the lying-in, the warm soup, the darkened room, and a community that knew what to do without needing a book. Shafia lays out the history of the granny midwives, including the origin of the word granny itself. She and Kimberly work through the real difference between a doula and a midwife, why she trains in full circle rather than full spectrum, and why women are flock people whom Western birth deliberately separated. Shafia describes raising seven children inside the work rather than around it, and why the family that hired you has to come first. The conversation closes on money, policy, and fear: what makes birth work financially viable, what this country refuses to fund, and why she tells every woman and man she meets to stop fearing birth, to refuse the label of patient, and to trust a body that has been doing this since the beginning. Bio Shafia Monroe, MPH, is a renowned midwife, master doula trainer, cultural historian, author, and motivational speaker whose work has shaped birth and postpartum care for more than four decades. A leading subject matter expert on African American birth and postpartum traditions, she has researched the lives of twentieth century Black midwives and traveled to interview and observe them, learning traditional practices firsthand. In 1991 she founded the International Center for Traditional Childbearing, the first national nonprofit dedicated to increasing the number of midwives and doulas of color and to promoting home birth in Black communities. In 2002 she created the SMC Full Circle Doula Birth Companion Training, a dual certification program built on the legacy of the twentieth century African American midwife, which has since trained thousands of birth workers worldwide. She is president of Shafia Monroe Consulting and Birthing CHANGE, which helps health care providers deliver culturally competent care. Her work has been recognized with numerous honors, including four lifetime achievement awards, and she was named by Scientific American in 2022 among those working to make health care more fair. Her book, Mothering the Mother: African American Postpartum Traditions, Recipes, and Healing, with a foreword by Erykah Badu, was published by Hachette Go. She draws on her Southern roots in rural Alabama, where her grandmother taught her that food is medicine. She is a mother of seven, a grandmother of nine, and a great-grandmother of two, and she lives in Portland, Oregon. What She Shares - The two worlds she was raised between: a Boston Catholic mother and a rural foot-washing Alabama father - Her father turning an empty Boston lot into a garden in the 1970s, before there was a name for it - Her mother on burning the bra, on equality at home, and on never staying where you are unhappy - Why her mother told her that what people do not want you to know is kept in a book - Diasporic recognitions: eating with the right hand, banku and cornbread, rainwater, and infant massage - Watching women in a Senegalese village do exactly what she had watched her mother do fifty years earlier - Belly wrapping as something her community always practiced without a name for it - What enslavement broke in African American postpartum care, and what was rebuilt after emancipation - The lying-in, the warm soup, the quilts, and why the elders kept the room dark - African Americans as the country's dominant providers of postpartum care, and the credit never given - The granny midwives, where the word granny came from, and what it was meant to do - Why wisdom mattered more than whether a midwife had borne children of her own - The real difference between a doula and a midwife, and why she wants both - Full circle rather than full spectrum, and why the circle is the right shape - Herbs for period pain instead of putting a thirteen year old on the pill - Raising seven children inside the calling, and why the family that hired you comes first - What makes birth work financially viable, and what this country refuses to pay for - Why she tells everyone to stop ...
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  • EP 248: Rewrite the Mother Code – Losing Yourself, Self-Mothering, and the Courage to Rock the Boat with Dr. Gertrude Lyons

    EP 248: Rewrite the Mother Code – Losing Yourself, Self-Mothering, and the Courage to Rock the Boat with Dr. Gertrude Lyons
    2026/09/07
    In this episode, Kimberly speaks with Dr. Gertrude Lyons, a master coach, podcast host, and the author of Rewrite the Mother Code: From Sacrifice to Stardust, about what it takes to notice you have gone missing from your own life. Dr. Gertrude describes the moment on a pilgrimage in Nepal, with her children in high school and college, when she burst into tears in front of a shaman and understood that despite years of coaching, study, and conscious parenting, she had lost herself somewhere inside motherhood. That recognition sent her back to school for a doctorate in education and eventually produced the framework the book is built on. Kimberly and Dr. Gertrude trace how the messages get in: the primal, unconscious conviction that rocking the boat will make everything fall apart, the ordering of children and spouse and career ahead of self, and the false pretense that there is a right way to do any of it. The conversation turns to the hero myth and what it has done to mother culture, the pressure to be exceptional rather than to be on a journey, and whether twenty years of increased awareness has actually shifted anything underneath. She then tells the story of her 2025 TEDx talk, which TED would not post until she removed the birth data: the maternal mortality figures, the history of midwives being pushed out by active marketing campaigns, and the observation that not all hospital birth practice is evidence based. Kimberly picks this up and runs with it, on how the people the system appears to serve are the least likely to see it clearly, on birth as an irreducibly bodily experience that has been siloed off from the rest of a woman's life, and on what it costs to be defanged from your own animal instinct. Bio Dr. Gertrude Lyons is a master coach, podcast host, and thought leader helping women rewrite outdated narratives around motherhood, identity, and self-worth. She is the author of Rewrite the Mother Code: From Sacrifice to Stardust, A Cosmic Approach to Motherhood (Rise Books, 2025), which grew out of her doctoral research into the transformational opportunity inside motherhood and has since become the foundation of a broader body of work with women at every stage of that question. She holds an Ed.D. and an M.A. in Transformational Leadership and Coaching from Wright Graduate University, an M.A. in Psychology from Antioch University McGregor, and a BBA in Finance and Accounting from Saint Mary's College in Notre Dame, Indiana. She is a Whole Brain Living certified coach and holds a Level 3 breathwork certification through the Global Professional Breathwork Alliance. She hosts the Rewrite the Mother Code podcast, delivered a 2025 TEDx talk titled Redefining Self-Mothering: The Courage to Mother Ourselves First, and has spoken at the Glastonbury Goddess Conference. Over more than twenty years she has worked with individuals, couples, parents, and families, and she now leads retreats in Mexico and Ireland, with a first retreat in Malta planned. Her home base is Chicago. She has two daughters. What Dr. Gertrude Shares The pilgrimage in Nepal, the shaman, and the moment she understood she had lost herself inside motherhood Why two master's degrees were not enough, and what sent her back for a doctorate The difference between her first daughter and her second, and the fear she could only see in retrospect What rocking the boat looked like, and how couples coaching quietly became parenting coaching Leaving the dogma of a Roman Catholic upbringing while keeping the mystery, and finding the divine feminine The letter she wrote in 1989 asking her fiancé for premarital counseling, and why she could not say it out loud The hero myth as exceptionalism, and the journey as the whole point rather than the prize at the end What has and has not changed for mothers in thirty years, and why more information has meant more overwhelm Her home birth, being called selfish by her family, and the boss whose two suggestions changed her life The 2025 TEDx talk, the birth data she was asked to remove, and the reason she was never given Why she believes all women mother, and the one downside she has found to saying so What You'll Hear Whether the people around you can see that you have gone missing, or whether only you can The primal, unconscious calculation that if I rock the boat, everything will fall apart Joseph Campbell taught to eighth graders, and whether we want children to be heroes of their own lives Emergence rather than a declared end game, and myth held without making it all about you Mom rage arriving in the culture, and what it took to put the word on a book cover ten years ago Maternal mortality, midwives pushed out by marketing campaigns, and what counts as evidence based Why the people a system appears to serve are often the least able to see it clearly The infamous request for a home birth in a hospital, and what a good hospital birth actually requires Birth as an irreducibly bodily ...
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    52 分
  • EP 247: The Opposite of Hypervigilance – Boundaries, Healthy Aggression, and Reclaiming Fight with Jaye Marolla

    EP 247: The Opposite of Hypervigilance – Boundaries, Healthy Aggression, and Reclaiming Fight with Jaye Marolla
    2026/08/30
    In this episode, Kimberly is rejoined by Jaye Marolla, somatic educator, martial artist, and bodyworker, founder of The Body Innate, YINDOJO, and YinWarriorship in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Nine months and several co-taught weekends after their first conversation, and ahead of Jaye joining Jaguar Fight Club in September, they dive deep into their work with the word fight. Jaye explains why she has never used the frame of self-defense, reflecting on how it seats a woman inside a preconceived victim's stance and quietly assigns the whole burden of a culture's violence to the people most likely to be harmed by it. From there they make the distinction between readiness and hypervigilance, between the body that knows where the exits are and the body running a fear script it has mistaken for awareness. They look at what happens when a boundary comes from contraction rather than wholeness, at Kimberly's work restoring reflexive gestures in bodies that were anesthetized or held still, and at the longing for real physical contact that both of them keep meeting in rooms, and that many somatic training treats as inappropriate. The second half turns to the trauma frame itself, and what it costs in agency, artistry, and appetite when a culture organizes everything it knows about the body around what went wrong. They talk about animist inquiry and bone knowing, about somatic transmission versus the somatic exercise, about the long arc from trying out a practice to living one, and about the blueprint each person carries and what it takes to fight for it in a culture built to bury it. The conversation closes on the great work that may look like nothing you could post and on the power of a deeply quiet life. Bio Jaye Marolla is a somatic educator, martial artist, and bodyworker based in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and the founder of The Body Innate, YINDOJO, and YinWarriorship. A former Division I basketball player at American University, she has spent decades training across martial and healing traditions, shaped by years of living and studying in Ghana, China, Thailand, Central Asia, and England, where she became fascinated by lineage-based practice and the knowledge that travels tacitly, through transmission and embodied nuance. In China and Thailand she studied martial arts and healing practices alongside one another, and came to understand the two branches as growing from a single root. In Santa Fe she spent three years studying with her former teacher Zhenevere Sophia Dao in the practices of Post-Daoism and Mythopoetic Qigong. She weaves applied Daoism and conscious Eros through vitality-based teaching within a framework of experiential collaborative leadership and somatic activism, offering classes and intensives in Santa Fe, across the United States, and internationally, and working privately with individuals, groups, and organizations. She is a member of Soma Collective in Santa Fe, and has collaborated with practitioners including Stephen Jenkinson on retreats exploring death, embodiment, and communal practice. She joins Kimberly for Jaguar Fight Club in September. What Jaye Shares Why she has never gone near self-defense training, and why she considers the frame harmful rather than merely imprecise The difference between self-defense and self-awareness, and what changes when every body is trained rather than only the ones expected to be harmed Hypervigilance as a fear script running outside present time, and readiness as its opposite How a martial artist uses the imaginal capacity: not forecasting harm, but rehearsing the move she is going to make Boundary from the knitted sense of self versus boundary from contraction, and why the second one invites more antagonism The longing for real contact, why bodies are still recovering from the distance of the COVID years, and what animals know about grappling Ma-ai, the spatial and temporal distance between two bodies, and how we track it constantly without naming it The animist frame and bone knowing as a starting point rather than an advanced technique Why the trauma orientation functions as a distraction from self-agency, social activism, and collective inquiry Her objection to the phrase somatic exercise, and what somatic transmission is instead The long arc from visiting a practice to being inhabited by one, and why that arc cannot be shortcut Fight as grit, teeth, and animal, and why the people who grapple regularly argue less The blueprint, the seed, and full commitment without attachment as an antidote to despair What You'll Hear The nine months between this conversation and the last one, and what changes when two teachers become training partners Kimberly's own six-week self-defense course, what it kicked up, and why she is not sure she was ready for it Why so many women in the Maine workshop reacted viscerally to being told to notice the exits Presence and readiness mistaken for paranoia, and where the shame around that comes from The record ...
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