Erin Shaw, by her own admission, is not fast. She has come in last more than once, she has been cutoff more than once, she has just made the cutoff with 8 minutes to spare, more than once, but Erin gets it done and she savors the moments along the way. Whether it’s taking on multiple-day trail races in rugged backcountry areas like the Scottish highlands, or battling cancer and coming out the other side with a new perspective and priority on life, my guest today has learned that “the only way IS through” and that nearly anything can be accomplished with planning, and persevering. In this conversation, we learn how she discovered trail running and adventures like Cape Wrath, how she navigated a breast cancer diagnosis, and how she has learned that she is capable of more than she knows and that she can help others to realize that as well. And stayed tuned after the conversation for another installment of Running Out Loud, where I share a piece by Nikita Gill called “The Ocean In You”. Get shoes on, grab your sun sleeves and head out for a nice long training run, cuz it’s time to hit the trail.

Trail Running Film Archive: https://trailrunningnordwand.blogspot.com/p/the-trail-running-film-archive.html

Cape Wrath Ultra Races: https://www.capewrathultra.com/

Cape Wrath film featuring Erin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR7UHRRz3kE

Erin's coaching website: https://erinshaw.blog/

3 Days of Syllamo: https://www.syllamoevents.com/3days

Erin on Ultrasignup: https://ultrasignup.com/results_participant.aspx?fname=Erin&lname=Shaw#

Joey's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Run_Joey_Run

Running Behind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_pod

Joey's Strava Profile: https://www.strava.com/athletes/111237895

Artwork by Ed Linder

Anyone remember the old days when you had to go to the library, to find the information you needed? These days, a simple Google search or a look on YouTube and you can usually find it. I began posting videos on YouTube as a reference for folks to see trail races, courses, areas and experiences, and to show my family and friends what I was up to. Well, so did my guest today, Kevin Swift. Kevin, aka SWIFTY, did not come to running until a little bit later in life, but once he did, he was hooked. The races became longer and the adventures became more involved. Eventually he found himself on a quest to run races in all 50 states, and with a YouTube channel to boot. We go through all of that, discuss his drumming in bands and rock & roll dreams, and top it off with a backyard ultra 101 session, where we are joined by Mario and Erik to answer all of his questions. So, grab those brooks, some sunscreen, and your camera (or drum sticks), cuz it’s time to hit the trail.

Kevin's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@kevins1775

Mainly Marathon's website: https://mainlymarathons.com/

Kevin's band Six Figure Sunrise FB page: https://www.facebook.com/sixfiguresunrise/

Kevin's music with Rox on Apple: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/rox/1824567008

Joey's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Run_Joey_Run

Running Behind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_pod

Joey's Strava Profile: https://www.strava.com/athletes/111237895

Artwork by Ed Linder

I am not quite sure why they agreed to be on my humble little podcast, but I'll take it. Today, I am honored to be joined by Dylan Harris and Drew B Darby. Dylan is a well-known filmmaker, and the creator/director of the feature film, The Chase, that covered the 2024 men's race at the Cocodona 250. Drew, also has quite the resume, with clients that include household names like Sally McRae and Heather Jackson. In 2024, Dylan recruited Drew to collaborate and help him on The Chase, and in 2025, they teamed up again at Cocodona to create another masterpiece. The film is called “The Cutoff”, and for all of us ‘normal’ folks, who constantly find ourselves at the wrong end of the timing clock, this is the film for us. The film tells the stories that don’t usually get told and does it with a level of production that is rarely seen. What you end up with is an amazing piece of cinema, and might just be the most unique take in this genre since “Unbreakable”. Or maybe I’m just super biased…but I promise you, the film is fantastic, and so is this conversation. So, get your shoes on for your long run, and heck, bring your Sachtler tripod with too, if you need it, but it’s time to hit the trail.

The Cutoff Film Tour information: https://www.aravaiparunning.com/the-cutoff/

Dylan Harris on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SpiritOfDylan

Somo Collective website: https://www.somocollective.co/

Drew B Darby on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@drewbdarby

Drew B Darby film website: https://www.drewbdarby.com/

Joey's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Run_Joey_Run

Running Behind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_pod

Joey's Strava Profile: https://www.strava.com/athletes/111237895

Artwork by Ed Linder

Jamison Swift, along with his wife, Lisa, is a race director in MN for the St Croix 40 Winter Ultra (BTW, bring your own sled), and the Fire Tower Trail Races. Besides that, he is an avid photography, active volunteer at races, a bike, run and sled adventurer, a musician, and quite frankly, a bit nerdy like yours truly. We cover all of that, along with Jamison and Lisa's amazing efforts to make their races accessible to everyone, especially women, with their 50 Women Run 50K program. And stay tuned after the conversation for another Running Out Loud segment where I feature another Joe Hardin piece called "Standing Through Seasons". We've got a lot of ground (or snow) to cover in this one, so go grab your shoes (and sled or tire if you need it), it's time to hit the trail.

St Croix 40 Winter Ultra: https://stcroixwinterultra.com/

Fire Tower Trail Races: https://firetowertrailraces.com/

Jamison's photography: https://swiftphotography.smugmug.com/

Jamison's blog Second Runnings: https://secondrunnings.me/

Jamison on Instgram: https://www.instagram.com/jamisonswift/

Link to "Fire" the film featuring the 50 Women Run 50K program: https://mspfilm.org/show/fire-50-women-run-50k/

Joe Hardin's "Standing Through Seasons" on Substack: https://sobrietysweatandsawdust.substack.com/p/standing-through-seasons

Joe Hardin on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/trail_tortoise_running/

Joey's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Run_Joey_Run

Running Behind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_pod

Joey's Strava Profile: https://www.strava.com/athletes/111237895

Artwork by Ed Linder

Season Two is here!! Yes, my loyal listeners, I am back, and so are my wonderful guests. My first guest is Tiffany Piotrowicz. At a fairly young age, she pivoted in her career and bought her own business. She has used her creative and marketing skills, and grown and guided that business into a great success, and now is using that as a tool and platform for bringing hope and help to her community. And stayed tuned after the conversation for a new segment I am deputing in season two called, "Running Out Loud", where I share works and words from talented folks that have been inspiring me lately. So let's get ready to meet Tiffany, and let's get ready for Season Two of the Running Behind pod.

TerraLoco (Tiffany's store): https://runterraloco.com/

TerraLoco on IG: https://www.instagram.com/terralocomn/

Tiffany on IG: https://www.instagram.com/tiffany.creative/

TerraLoco on YouTube (the amazing "Hello, A Quarantine Parody" video): https://youtu.be/UsfIYXOS56Y?si=47f3YyFCEAj7ER7A

Joe Hardin on IG: https://www.instagram.com/trail_tortoise_running

Joey's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Run_Joey_Run

Running Behind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_pod

Joey's Strava Profile: https://www.strava.com/athletes/111237895

Artwork by Ed Linder

The Boys Are Back! In this post holiday, episode, the boys and I discuss everything from dogs to race plans to bathroom re-remodels. Get to know about our plans for races and training in 2026 (likely to change by the next episode LOL), and get to hear to story of precious Hoka, aka TT, Erik's beloved little furry friend who he recently had to say goodbye to. And I would be remiss not to acknowledge what is going on in my precious city of Minneapolis. I can only say thank you to everyone who has reached out to me...to us. These are my neighbors, my friends and my community that is so affected. We are strong, we will stand together, we will get there. But now, it's time for a little distraction and banter. Who knows, it might even have you digging for that old pair of Under Armour running shoes.

MN/Mpls Organizations helping in the current crisis:

https://copalmn.org/

https://www.theadvocatesforhumanrights.org/Home

Storm The Park Race: https://www.stormsportingevents.org/event-details/storm-the-park

FANS Ultra Race: https://fansultraraces.org/

Wild Duluth 50K: https://www.wildduluthraces.com

Joey's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Run_Joey_Run

Running Behind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_pod

Joey's Strava Profile: https://www.strava.com/athletes/111237895

Artwork by Ed Linder

Wes Cornett was born in Hawkins, Indiana...well, maybe not Hawkins, but basically though. While still just a kid, a bad breakup and a love of cheap tacos lead him to the military. After a 20 year career that included deployments in Bosnia and Afghanistan, his military career left a wake of hard realities...the loss of his best friend, struggles with PTSD, anxiety, depression, sobriety and his mental health. Eventually though, he found his footing and a love for trail running and hiking. Even though some struggles continue, Wes is finding success, including a recent raffle ticket win to run the Western States Endurance Run (cuz hey, you can't spell Western States without "Wes"), and a tremendous accomplishment of publishing his first novel. Needless to say, this episode covers a lot of ground...we're talking like Tor Des Geants ground. So, get those comfy shoes, tape your toes and grab your poles, because we've got a lot to learn about Wes.

Wes on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wes_author_ultrarunner/

Wes' book Tumblin Dice on Amazon: https://a.co/d/9FvE3VL

Joey's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Run_Joey_Run

Running Behind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_pod

Joey's Strava Profile: https://www.strava.com/athletes/111237895

Artwork by Ed Linder

IN A TIME BEFORE FIREBALL...around mile 20, somewhere along highway 61 just north of Duluth, MN, Dr. Tonya hit a low in her first marathon, when suddenly four hands from the Reef Bar reach out with some much needed Jack Daniels. It was one of several inspirational moments that helped her complete her first of ten straight Grandma's marathons. Or there was the time when she moves to a new town and becomes a tour guide on her first day of living there! Or her lifelong love of horses and how they have shaped her entire life both personal and professional. Okay, yeah...we do talk a LITTLE footcare. I mean, after all, she is one of the premiere footcare experts in the world of endurance athletics, and she does lead footcare for THE Western States Endurance Run, but really, this is all about getting underneath the kinesiology tape and getting to know the real Dr. Tonya. Get ready for some good old Minnesota story telling...

Dr Tonya's website: https://www.drtonyafootcare.com/

Dr Tonya's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TonyaKOlson

Dr Tonya on IG: https://www.instagram.com/tonyakolsondpt/

Dr Tonya on FB: https://www.facebook.com/tonyakolson/

Joey's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Run_Joey_Run

Running Behind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_pod

Joey's Strava Profile: https://www.strava.com/athletes/111237895

Artwork by Ed Linder