You can leave church and still lose the community that came with it. This episode is about what comes after.

In the final part of the ReMade series, Aaron and Ben talk about the very real grief of losing church community, and the equally real work of building something better in its place. They get into the difference between community and control, why you only really need about five good friends, and the four words (borrowed from Simon Sinek) that might change one of your friendships: do you have eight minutes?

This is a hosts-only episode, no guest, just Aaron and Ben closing out the ReMade series (Rediscover, ReWilded, RePlanted).

“it was never community we were scared of. it was control.”

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He trained for ten years to be a minister and thought he'd do it for life. Then Matt Glover backed marriage equality, and it cost him his church.

Aaron and Ben sit down with Matt, a former Baptist minister who supported same-sex marriage years before the plebiscite and lost his role, his career, and a community for it. He'll correct you on one thing though: he wasn't fired, he resigned and walked away. And he says he'd go back to that room today and say thank you.

It's a conversation about allyship that never felt like a stand, the difference between a job and a calling, and the friend named Finn who gently detonated everything Matt thought he knew. Matt is now a counsellor, and he shares what he sees most in his room today: spiritual abuse and deconstruction.

As Matt puts it: "It's okay to not know things and just be kind."

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what happens to your faith when you stop believing in a god of fear?

reverend brandan robertson, the tiktok pastor and author of queer and christian, joins aaron and ben for one of the most hopeful conversations we've had. brandan grew up in maryland fundamentalism, got saved at 12, went through conversion therapy at moody bible institute, and was named in time magazine in 2015 before the evangelical world turned on him. he came out of it not bitter but freer.

we talk about queering christianity, the stories nobody preached us growing up, and why the queer community is far more spiritual than the world assumes. as brandan puts it: "you walk into a queer club, reach your arm out, and you'll touch somebody with religious trauma."

brandan is a pastor, author and phd candidate in new testament who now leads a small church in queens and helps thousands reclaim a faith built on love instead of punishment.

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Gaz and Jesse Dutlow used to lead worship together on a megachurch stage. Now they're leading standing ovations in musical theatre, with credits including the Sydney Opera House and Melbourne's professional theatre scene.

This week, the sibling duo joins Aaron and Ben for a conversation about the overlap between worship performance and theatre, the institutional exclusion that pushed them both out of church leadership, and the quiet, separate ways they each found language for their non-binary identities, without telling each other until they compared notes.

Gaz and Jesse Dutlow are siblings, former worship leaders, and professional musical theatre performers who've worked on stages from community theatre to the Sydney Opera House.

“If you're going to resist anything, resist shame.” - Jesse Dutlow

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What happens to your faith when you leave the fence behind? In Part 2 of the ReMade Series, Aaron and Ben get into the messy, non-linear journey of spiritual life after the church. Not the tidy version. The real one.

They talk through the fear of losing certainty, Dr. Lynn Moresi's poem on what to keep and what to let go, breath work, tarot cards, Lady Gaga as a Hillsong conference, and the one question Aaron uses as a compass through all of it: 'does this expand love in my life?'

"The biggest fence is the one that we put around God." Aaron Kelly

This is Part 2 of the ReMade Series. If you haven't listened to Part 1 (Rediscover Your Identity, Episode 5), go back and start there.

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The AFL and the church. Two completely different worlds. The same closet.

Mitch Brown became the first openly bisexual player in AFL history in August 2025. In this conversation we talk about what the AFL and the church have in common. The same unwritten rules, the same rewards for performing straightness, the same “get back in your box” the moment you start speaking up.

He also talks about the anger he's still managing, letting go of his partner Lou's hand in queer spaces to prove he belongs, and what he'd say to the 10-year-old version of himself who was hiding everything.

“There are people that will accept you even if this community will drop you. It's not always this little world that you're in. There's others out there.” — Mitch Brown

Mitch Brown is a former AFL player and advocate for queer inclusion in sport.

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Becky Bauer planted Melbourne Inclusive Church 15 years ago. They've been affirming from day one. Before anyone was offering them buildings. Before the mainstream church was having this conversation.

In this episode, Aaron and Ben sit down with Becky to hear the full story: from being adopted into a family that ministered to hippies in Michigan in the 70s, to finding an affirming church at a Pride event, to planting MIC in Melbourne, surviving early hostility from both the church and the queer community, and now helping other congregations navigate their journeys toward affirmation. She also reflects on why Rocky Roggio's 1946 work is such a pivotal tool for those conversations.

"The road to change is paved with love.", Becky Bauer

Becky Bauer is the founding pastor of Melbourne Inclusive Church. Find MIC at michurch.org.au.

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In 1946, 22 men sat on a Bible translation committee and made a decision. A 21-year-old seminary student challenged them in writing. They admitted he had a point. But the word was already in print. And then it spread.

Sharon "Rocky" Roggio is the director and producer of 1946: The Mistranslation That Shifted a Culture, the documentary that spent a decade investigating how the word "homosexual" ended up in the Bible, what it's done to LGBTQ+ people of faith, and what the archival record actually shows.

Rocky grew up in the church as the daughter of a pastor. She's a lesbian woman. She made a film to find common ground with her non-affirming parents through the Bible. She ended up changing how people around the world read it.This is a conversation about history, faith, family, and what happens when you ask the question nobody thought to ask.

PLEASE NOTE: We apologise in advance for the audio quality dropping about two-thirds of the way through. We had a system glitch and thankfully Sharon has recorded audio on her end so nothing was lost!

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