Last week, Madison talked with Monét X Change, so it’s only fitting that today we have the other half of “Sibling Rivalry” on the pod– it’s “RuPaul’s Drag Race” Season 8 winner, Bob the Drag Queen!

Drag superstar, comedian, Madonna’s MC– Bob’s adding “author” to an already impressive resume, with his new book "Harriet Tubman: Live in Concert!" But before getting into that, Madison and Bob talk Drag Race, douching etiquette, sobriety, and concealed carry– if you needed another reason not to mess with Maddie.

Bob talks about his lifelong obsession with Harriet Tubman and everything she accomplished in her long life. Bob shares his favorite photo of Harriet looking regal as hell in her 90s and the book’s heartfelt dedication to Bob’s late mother, as well as anecdotes from his research.

Manifestation is a big theme in this episode– from historical examples to personal ones. These are southern girls, so we’re mixing scripture and spells– from reflecting on Harriet Tubman’s spirituality, to on-air-manifesting Madison’s next collab. And Bob talks about getting a glowing review from his favorite performers of all time– is the key to meeting your heroes getting them tattooed on your body? Or maybe just a mood board…

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He’s a Libra, he’s successful, he’s amazing, he’s a trendsetter…a bad bitch all around, in this episode TS Madison is joined by the Material Gworl himself, SAUCY SANTANA!

They discuss the impact of growing up watching "Real Housewives of Atlanta" and "RuPaul’s Drag Race" MADE Saucy Santana, exploring makeup as a teenager, swapping gender expectations for authenticity, and Maddie shares her own experience transitioning at 17.

Doesn’t matter if you’re he/him, she/her, they/them, this episode is for the GWORLS! Madison and Saucy talk intersectionality, fighting back against prejudice from within their own communities. We’re all in the fight to tear down white supremacy together!

Next, we get into Santana's villain era, his days reading bitches on twitter, how fame changed that, and also, we learn about the moment when Maddie realized she had become an elder.

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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