Shela Chan joins us to discuss her journey to faith and the research that now shapes her work at the intersection of queer theology, ethics, and social science. Drawing on her own story and doctoral research, Sheila examines how theology and empirical insights can inform Christian understandings of human flourishing, belonging, and trauma while challenging the ways churches can unintentionally marginalize LGBTQ people.

Note: This episode uses the terms “Side A” and “Side B” as shorthand quite a bit. If you’re new to the conversation, you might find it helpful to check out episode #3, where we talk through the four “sides”: ⁠#3 - A-B-Y-X | 4 Sides on SSA/Gay Sexuality⁠

★ About Our Guest:

Shela Chan is a Ph.D. student of Theological and Social Ethics at Fordham University in New York. Her background includes mission work in Afro-Eurasia, and she holds a Master of Divinity degree from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. Her academic research focuses on holistic human development and flourishing at the intersection of sexuality and attachment theory. You can find her on Instagram @shechannnnn.

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★ Timestamps

(00:00) #85 - Shela Chan: Reflections on Social Science and Christian Ethics

(02:17) Shela’s story: From queer liberation to finding yourself in Jesus

(18:18) Post-conversion: Queer experience, spiritual growth

(41:57) How we interpret the Bible determines where we end up

(47:00) Can Adam and Eve be archetypes for us today?

(58:15) The archetype of the eunuch and the “ideal male”

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★ Links and References

* The Romance of Innocent Sexuality, Geoffrey Rees (2011)

* About Tim Keller’s gay brother: https://ap.org.au/2024/10/01/timothy-kellers-brother/

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★ Credits

Creators and Hosts: David Frank, TJ Espinoza, Tyler Parker | Audio Engineer: Carl Swenson, carlswensonmusic.com | Producer: Elena F. ★

As Side B Christians, we’ve done a lot of discernment around the ethics, practice, and vocation of celibacy (celibacy = practicing sexual chastity as an unmarried person), including discernment around lifelong vows of celibacy. In our own journeys, we’ve uncovered myths we’ve believed and encountered myths in our Christian communities.

We argue that celibacy and mixed-orientation-marriages are included in Side B, we reject the idea that celibacy necessarily means loneliness in the kingdom of God, we challenge the view that celibacy is merely sexual repression, we explain how vows can add goods (clarity, focus, support), we critique assumptions that marriage is actually superior, we demystify superstitions regarding celibacy and sanctification, and we contend that celibacy is a public vocation worthy of communal celebration.

We’d love to hear what you think after you give a listen!

Key Scriptures Referenced:

Matthew 19:4-5 “eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven”

1 Corinthians 7:9 “it is better to marry than to burn with passion.”

1 Corinthians 7:32–34 “an unmarried person is concerned about the Lord’s affairs”

Matthew 12:48-50 Who are my kin but “those who do the will of my Father?”

Hebrews 4:15 “tempted in every way common to man yet without sin”

Matthew 6:28 “lilies of the field”

Time Stamps:

00:00 Welcome to Kinship Lab 5

00:30 Why Celibacy Came Up

02:23 Myth 1: Celibacy as a Mandate

05:12 Marriage Paths and Barriers

07:03 Language Celibate vs Single

09:54 Myth 2: Celibacy is Loneliness

12:51 Single Mindedness and Freedom

17:03 Myth 3: Celibacy is Repression

21:07 Desire Struggle and 1 Corinthians 7

24:53 Marriage Is Not the Only Tool

25:59 Marriage Isn’t a Fix

26:24 Sexual Baggage in Marriage

27:10 Myth 4: Celibacy Vows Don’t Add Anything Good

33:24 Vows as Covenant Deepening

36:50 Myth 5: Marriage Is Actually Better Than Celibacy

40:48 Myth 6: Celibacy Vows Are a Level-Up

48:40 Myth 7: Celibacy Shouldn’t Be Celebrated Like Marriage

58:12 Kingdom Public Witness

Jon-Michael Shelley, a youth pastor in Atlanta, joins David and TJ to share about his journey as a Side B Christian from a Southern Baptist upbringing into the Anglican tradition. He discussed how liturgy, community, and pastoral care shaped his healing and vocation, and how he has come to understand sexuality as an integrated part of faithful discipleship and ministry. Jon-Michael also reflected on calling, celibacy, church leadership, and why he believes Side B Christians have meaningful gifts to offer the church.

Note: This episode uses the terms “Side A” and “Side B” (and X, Y) as shorthand quite a bit. If you’re new to the conversation, you might find it helpful to check out episode #3, where we talk through the four “sides”: ⁠#3 - A-B-Y-X | 4 Sides on SSA/Gay Sexuality⁠

★ About Our Guest

Jon-Michael Shelley is a youth pastor and preacher in the Anglican Church of North America. He’s mentored and discipled young people in church and parachurch ministries for ten years. He has a passion for fostering rich conversations about the deep truths of Christian life among young people and inviting them into relationship with the God who made them. He can be reached via email: jonmichael@immanuelatl.org or on Instagram: @jonmichaelshelley

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★ Timestamps

(00:00) #84 - Finding Space in the Anglican Church: Jon-Michael Shelley on Side B, Vocation, and Leadership

(01:28) Jon-Michael’s story

(10:07) How I ended up Anglican

(15:27) Sexuality growing up: Going under the radar

(24:09) Youth pastoring and parent perception in liberal secular environments

(28:38) Why are you Side B?

(40:28) Unique gifts in ministry as a gay man

(44:55) How did you change your take on getting married?

(50:13) Ordination in the ACNA?

(58:50) Hopes for the Anglican church on faith/sexuality topics

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★ Send us feedback, questions, comments, and support || Email: communionandshalom@gmail.com | Instagram: @newkinship | Substack: @newkinship

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★ Credits || Creators and Hosts: David Frank, TJ Espinoza, Tyler Parker | Audio Engineer: Carl Swenson, carlswensonmusic.com | Podcast Manager: Elena F. ★