Today's episode feature Peter Boland and Dave Chase, CEO of Health Rosetta. This is a truly eye-opening conversation that dives deep into the crisis of healthcare costs, innovative solutions, and what organizations can actually do to create real change.

5 Keys You’ll Learn in This Episode:

1. Why Healthcare Has “Killed the American Dream”
2. Dave Chase makes a bold claim about the impact of rising health costs on the middle class—and backs it up with surprising data and insights.
3. The Health Rosetta Dividend—What Is It and How Big Can It Get?
4. Discover how some companies are saving up to 60% on healthcare, using those savings for college scholarships, daycare, solar, and much more.
5. How to Take Action as an Employer
6. Dave Chase breaks down the first steps any organization should take to radically cut costs and improve employee benefits—including contract reviews and “advanced primary care.”
7. Inside the Plan Grader Tool
8. Ever wonder how your company’s health plan stacks up? Dave Chase explains the Plan Grader, a scoring system with actionable diagnostics to transform your approach to benefits.
9. The Legal Wake-Up Call for Employers
10. Boards and executives are now directly liable for poor fiduciary stewardship. Learn how recent lawsuits and government action mean it’s time to get serious about healthcare dollars.

Fun Fact from the Episode:

Did you know a tiny Bic pen has 55,000 Amazon reviews, while healthcare plans—which represent 20% of the economy—rarely get an objective value “grade”? This wild discrepancy inspired Health Rosetta’s Plan Grader!

Ready to Make Healthcare Uncomplicated?

If you’ve ever felt stuck with rising premiums and confusing insurance processes, this episode is a must-listen. Dave Chase and Peter Boland break down complex issues in a super approachable way—with real stories and actionable solutions.

Dave Chase is the CEO and co-founder of Health Rosetta, a public benefit corporation dedicated to transforming healthcare through community-driven solutions, and Board Chair of Nautilus Health Institute, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit providing open-source healthcare resources. He leads a national network of over 250 Health Rosetta Advisors who serve more than five million Americans, demonstrating that healthcare can be delivered with 20-50% cost reductions while improving benefits.

Before founding Health Rosetta in 2017, Dave worked as a revenue cycle consultant helping hospitals maximize billing. His path to healthcare reform advocacy came after losing a close friend to preventable medical system failures—an experience that transformed his career trajectory and fueled his commitment to fixing a broken system.

Dave played an instrumental role in securing healthcare benefits provisions in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2021, particularly around broker compensation transparency and gag clause bans. He is the author of "CEO's Guide to Restoring the American Dream" and is currently working on "Relocalizing Health," a book focused on Community-Owned Health Plans as alternatives to traditional insurance models.

As a TED speaker and host of the "Relocalizing Health" podcast, Dave champions the principle that healthcare should serve communities rather than extract wealth from them. He draws inspiration from successful cooperative models like Rural Electric Cooperatives to demonstrate how communities can take control of their healthcare destiny. When not working to transform healthcare, Dave coaches high school cross country and track & field athletes to reach their full potential which has included state and national championships.

We’re back with an inspiring episode you won’t want to miss! This week, Peter Boland sits down with Nick Jones, Vice President of Community Wellness at Nationwide Children’s Hospital in Columbus, for a deep dive into how housing and health are more connected than you think.

5 Keys You’ll Learn in This Episode:

1. Why Housing is Healthcare: Discover why affordable housing is truly a foundational strategy for improving population health—right from the experts making it happen.
2. The 5-Pronged Approach: Get the inside scoop on Nationwide Children’s “Healthy Neighborhoods, Healthy Families” initiative and its five core areas: housing, economic development, wellness, education, and community enrichment.
3. How to Build a Capital Stack: Learn what it takes to fund big-impact affordable housing—and how assembling the right partners (and a lot of trust) makes it possible.
4. Whole-Person, Whole-Family Care: See how wraparound services and “no wrong door” entry points are changing outcomes for families—keeping kids healthy at home, at school, and in their neighborhoods.
5. Measuring Real Results: Hear about the concrete outcomes this initiative has achieved, including higher graduation rates, increased kindergarten readiness, and millions returned to the community through tax prep assistance.

Fun Fact from the Episode: Did you know that Nationwide Children’s Hospital has helped return over $5 million to the local community just through its free tax preparation program? Talk about putting money where their mission is!

Wrapping Up This episode is packed with actionable insights if you want to help communities thrive, drive lasting change, or just get inspired by what’s possible when hospitals go “all in” on health equity. Peter Bolland and Nick Jones make a fantastic team, sharing lessons and stories that will keep you energized about your own work!

Call to Action Don’t miss out—tune in to this episode and share it with a friend who cares about healthier futures. And if you’re feeling inspired, let us know what community innovation you’d like to hear about next!

Listen now and keep making good trouble!

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Today's Guest is Jan Ruma, Senior Advisor at the Pathways Community HUB Institute, is a leader in community health innovation and experienced at facilitating and resourcing outcome-oriented community partnerships to measurably improve health status. Jan has firsthand experience implementing and sustaining community care hubs and contracting with payers utilizing the Pathways Community HUB Institute® Model (PCHI® Model). Jan provides guidance on all aspects of developing, implementing, and sustaining a community care hub, including partnership, fund, and community resource development; governance; payer contracting; addressing health related social needs; defining populations of focus; operations; and the value proposition.

Discover how the Pathways Community Help Institute is transforming health equity with a practical, outcomes-driven approach. Learn the essential elements that make the Pathways model a powerful tool for addressing complex health and social needs in communities.

• What the Pathways model is and how it simplifies access to health and social services
• The role of community health workers (CHWs) and why they're central to success
• How risk factors and pathways are tracked and measured for real results
• The funding, structure, and technology needed to launch a successful community hub
• The tangible return on investment (ROI) and long-term impact seen from this model

Discover the latest episode of More Health, Less Healthcare with Peter Boland—a thought-provoking journey into the urgent distinction between health and healthcare. In this episode, Peter challenges long-held assumptions by spotlighting the disproportionate investment in sickness care versus health promotion, urging a cultural shift toward prevention and wellness.

Key highlights include:

• A candid look at the cultural and financial realities driving our healthcare “sickness industry.”
• Critical examination of why the U.S. lags behind other developed nations in social health outcomes.
• Real-world case studies and health equity initiatives that prove investing in preventive health saves lives and resources.
• Insights from Peter’s 45 years as a healthcare management consultant, addressing the legacy of cost containment, wage stagnation, and rising chronic conditions like obesity and hypertension.
• A call for courageous, long-term intervention at scale—backed by data and ethical imperatives—to reshape public health for the next generation.

Tune in as Peter asks the tough questions about profit-driven healthcare practices and explores intelligent, value-centered solutions. If you’re passionate about shifting the paradigm from “sickness care” to true health—and want practical, inspiring examples—this episode is a must-listen.

Join the conversation, reflect on what it means to truly “do no harm,” and be part of shaping a healthier future!