Host: Kristen Cantrell
Guest: Courtney Kattengell

Kristen sits down with Courtney Kattengell, a New Orleans-area broker and 20-year real estate veteran, for a raw conversation about building a 100% referral-based business, the burnout that brought her to her knees, and the deep personal work that led her to launch Righting Real Estate. Courtney shares how she went from a scripted, sales-y approach to real estate to becoming one of the most locally known agents in her market — and why she believes the most important home you'll ever work on is your own.

In This Episode

• Courtney's path from public school teacher to 20-year real estate veteran, and the classic "match my teaching salary" story
• Her 15-year business partnership with Tiffany, and why so few real estate partnerships last that long
• How Courtney became the go-to, locally known agent in her New Orleans-area market through community involvement and cause marketing instead of cold calling or door knocking
• Why she's safely 100% referral-based this year, and how that business grew organically through relationships instead of ad spend
• The coaching moment that changed everything: a mentor telling her to stop calling strangers and start with the people she already knows
• Courtney's journey into burnout — chasing bigger numbers every year while feeling completely disconnected from herself
• The personal reckoning that led her into deep healing work: somatic therapy, Reiki, and a three-month shadow work process
• How losing a big commission (and the family trip it was funding) forced her to confront how much pressure she puts on herself as a breadwinner
• The birth of Righting Real Estate and her Inner Home Method — helping real estate professionals reconnect with themselves beneath the roles and the chase for the next transaction
• Why Courtney is officially launching Righting Real Estate at the NAR NXT convention in New Orleans this November, and what her immersive booth experience will look like
• A fun close: if Courtney could bring on any influencer or celebrity for a new business, who would it be

"The most important home you'll ever work on is your own." — Courtney Kattengell

Resources & Links

1. Join the Moms in Real Estate Facebook Community
2. Learn more about Righting Real Estate: rightingrealestate.com
3. Follow Courtney on Instagram: @righting_real_estate
4. Meet Courtney at NAR NXT in New Orleans, November 6-8
5. Follow along on Instagram @heykristencantrell @momsinrealestate
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Host: Kristen Cantrell
Guest: Danielle McKinley

Kristen sits down with her close friend and Moms in Real Estate partner Danielle McKinley, a money coach and self-described "money shame slayer," to talk about the subconscious stories that shape our relationship with money — and why even top producers making great income still feel shame around it. Danielle shares her own money story, how she went from exiting a SaaS company to becoming a money coach and licensed life insurance agent, and why she thinks every agent should zoom out and build multiple income streams instead of chasing the next lead.

In This Episode

• What it actually means to be a money coach, and why Danielle calls herself a "money shame slayer"
• How our money stories form between ages 0-8, and why most of us are unconsciously driven by beliefs we never examined
• Danielle's own money story: the moment as an 8-year-old that shaped her entire relationship with money
• Why exiting her company didn't "fix everything," and the sabbatical that led her to her life's work
• The five common money story patterns Danielle sees across new agents, mid-career agents, and top producers — and why shame shows up differently at each stage
• Why asking for help with money should be no different than asking for help writing your first contract
• Danielle's SEE method: See your story, Optimize your numbers, Transform through investing, and unlock freedom
• How life insurance, structured properly, can protect your wealth while you're still alive to use it
• Why Danielle doesn't buy leads and runs her business 100% on referrals
• How she "zoomed out" to build multiple income streams — coaching, life insurance, and now getting her real estate license to refer clients into Real Broker
• The money alarm hack: setting a daily phone alarm with a positive reframe to rewire your relationship with money through neuroplasticity
• Danielle's money story quiz and how to find your own patterns

"Your money story is driving you, whether you're aware of it or not — I want to make sure it's driving you towards your dream life." — Danielle McKinley

Resources & Links

1. Join the Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therealmomsofrealestate
2. Take Danielle's Money Story Quiz: https://quiz.daniellemckinley.com/
3. Search the Referral Network: MIREReferralNetwork.com
4. Follow Danielle McKinley on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/moneyshameslayer/
5. Follow along on Instagram @heykristencantrell @momsinrealestate
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Kristen sits down with longtime friend Amy Miller, a Phoenix-based Realtor who's built a six-figure business in nine years without ever making a cold call. Amy shares how she leaned into relationships and networking instead of forcing herself into activities she hated, why she's stayed in the same BNI chapter for eight years, and how she runs her business without a traditional CRM, including an unconventional hack using Claude to track client conversations. She also opens up about protecting her Fridays for time with her grandkids and the mindset shift that made her stop chasing what everyone else's business looks like.

In This Episode

• Why Amy ditched cold calling and door knocking after trying them once, and leaned into relationships instead
• How she built her referral-based business through networking and her sphere of influence
• Eight years in the same BNI chapter, and why she evaluates it like any other part of her business instead of following the hype or the hate around it
• Advice for anyone intimidated to walk into a networking room: focus on one person, take a friend, and just get through the door
• Why Amy doesn't use a traditional CRM, and the email template system that transformed her client communication
• Her unconventional CRM hack: using Claude to log conversations, track prospects, and set follow-up reminders
• How she rates her own listing presentations by uploading the transcript and asking Claude what she missed
• Becoming a grandma in real estate, and why she blocks off every Friday to be fully present with her grandkids
• Setting client expectations upfront about her availability, and why that boundary hasn't cost her business
• Hiring her first TC, and what she's looking for in her next hire
• What "retirement" actually looks like for Amy, and the advice she'd give her first-year self about paycheck expectations

"My business doesn't have to look like what anybody else is doing. I get to run it the way that I want." — Amy Miller

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