In this episode of Minding Our Business, Jess and Jonesy sit down with Nicole Garrison and Christina Lees from PA Behavioral Services for a wildly honest, hilarious, and totally relatable convo about what it really looks like to protect your mental health while running a business.

They cover friendship and business boundaries, compartmentalizing chaos, why Zebra Cakes launched their partnership (yes, really), and how even therapists need therapy. This one’s got therapist insight with founder energy. No jargon, just real tools from real people.

Guests:

Nicole Garrison and Christina Lees, licensed professional counselors and co-founders of PA Behavioral Serviceshttps://pabehavioralservices.com

What We Talk About:

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Bonus: We end with our signature high kick. Always.

What’s one coping tool or mental health practice that actually helps you get through tough entrepreneur days?

This week, Jess and Jonesy sit down with Nicole Cloud—a nurse, a mom, and a mental health warrior—to talk about what it's really like behind the scenes in healthcare. From overnight shifts and pandemic trauma to finding moments of peace and grounding (literally), Nicole gets real about burnout, boundaries, and the small rituals that help her stay afloat. This isn’t just about nurses. It’s about how we take care of ourselves while showing up for everyone else.

Show Notes

In this episode:

• Nicole's journey into nursing and what kept her going

• The emotional toll of healthcare work, especially during COVID

• Secondary trauma and how it shows up (and sticks around)

• Coping strategies Nicole swears by: working out, talking it out, touching grass

• Real talk on intrusive thoughts, burnout, and crying in hospital bathrooms

• Support systems that make all the difference—from coworkers to community gyms

• Why some patients are just... the worst (boomers, we’re looking at you)

• The power of being honest about how you feel—even when it’s messy

Plus: The gang debates pediatricians, primary care, and whether or not you should still be seeing your childhood doctor at 23 (spoiler: probably not).

📋 DESCRIPTION:
From Golden Gloves champion to entrepreneur and podcast host, Ron Marvo is no stranger to resilience. In this conversation with Jess and Jonesy, Ron shares how his underdog story shaped his mindset, the mentors who guided him, and why resilience is about more than just pushing through—it’s about knowing when to let go, adapt, and keep moving forward.

We dive into trust-building in business, overcoming setbacks, and the daily discipline it takes to serve others even when life gets messy. If you’ve ever felt like the odds were stacked against you, Ron’s story is proof that being the underdog can be your greatest advantage.

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What We Talk About:

• Ron’s early lessons in resilience—family, boxing, and fighting for a better future

• The power of mentorship and how a single conversation can change your trajectory

• From Audi sales to entrepreneurship: why relationships matter more than transactions

• Building trust in business and the “Seven Pillars of Killer Business Development”

• Why resilience isn’t just pushing through—it’s also knowing what to subtract

• How to leave your personal struggles at the door and still show up for others

• Ron’s philosophy: WTSD (“write that sh*t down”) and why words on paper can change everything

• The Great American Underdog podcast and community

Resources + Links:

• Listen to The Great American Underdog: YouTube | Spotify | Apple Podcasts

• Join Ron’s community: The Winner’s Circle

• Follow Ron on Instagram: @greatamericanunderdog