In this episode, Dr. Travis Montgomery talks with Nancy Guthrie, author and Bible teacher, about how to wisely and compassionately speak into suffering. Nancy shares her personal story of loss, the lessons she learned about faith and grief, and practical advice for comforting others without causing harm. The conversation explores common mistakes Christians make, how biblical theology shapes our understanding of suffering, and why hope in God’s promises sustains us through pain. Nancy also offers guidance for pastors, friends, and anyone walking alongside those who grieve.

About the Podcast

Local Theologians is a podcast for everyday Christians and ministry leaders from Midwestern Seminary's Global Campus. Learn more about online theological education at mbts.edu/global.

Keywords

suffering, grief, pastoral care, biblical theology, sovereignty of God, comfort, lament, faith, hope, Nancy Guthrie

Takeaways

• Faith is not pressuring God for our preferred outcome—it’s trusting His wisdom and goodness.

• Avoid platitudes and phrases that diminish grief; instead, acknowledge the pain.

• Practical help often speaks louder than vague offers—act without waiting to be asked.

• Biblical theology provides a framework for understanding suffering within God’s redemptive story.

• Grief is not something to fix; it’s something to walk through with compassion and patience.

• God promises grace sufficient for every trial, even when He does not remove the pain.

• Hope rests in the future restoration and the end of the curse, not in immediate relief.

Sound Bites

• Faith is not us prescribing to God what He should do—it’s trusting Him when we don’t understand.

• Don’t say ‘at least’—it diminishes the loss.

• My grace is sufficient for you—God’s promise for every sufferer.

• Biblical theology helps us see suffering in light of the whole story of Scripture.

Chapters

1. 00:00 Introduction and Nancy Guthrie’s Background

2. 02:06 Nancy’s Story of Loss and Faith

3. 08:21 Wrestling with Prayer and God’s Sovereignty

4. 13:43 Lessons Learned Through Grief

5. 19:23 Common Missteps in Comforting Others

6. 24:50 What Really Helps and What Hurts

7. 32:40 Practical Ways to Serve Those Who Suffer

8. 37:46 How Biblical Theology Shapes Our View of Suffering

9. 46:06 The Hope of Resurrection and Renewal

10. 51:09 Go-To Scriptures for Comfort

11. 56:35 God’s Grace in the Midst of Pain

12. 01:00:33 Trusting Again After Hurt

13. 01:07:26 Closing Reflections

Summary

In this episode, Dr. Travis Montgomery talks with Sam Whittaker, Teaching Pastor at South Valley Community Church and instructor at Midwestern Seminary’s Global Campus, about the role of imagination in theology and apologetics. Sam shares how his discovery of imaginative apologetics transformed his approach to ministry and study. Drawing on insights from C. S. Lewis, Tolkien, and others, Sam explains why imagination is not opposed to reason but complements it as the organ of meaning. The conversation explores practical ways to engage imagination in evangelism, discipleship, and preaching, and offers resources for those who want to learn more.

About the Podcast

Local Theologians is a podcast for everyday Christians and ministry leaders from Midwestern Seminary's Global Campus. Learn more about online theological education at mbts.edu/global.

Keywords

imaginative apologetics, theology, C.S. Lewis, Tolkien, sanctified imagination, evangelism, discipleship, worldview, storytelling, Christian literature

Takeaways

• Imagination is the organ of meaning; reason is the organ of truth.

• Evangelical apologetics often emphasize reason but neglect imagination.

• Stories, metaphors, and images can bypass intellectual defenses and reach the heart.

• Jesus used parables to communicate truth imaginatively.

• Great literature and art can prepare the soil for gospel conversations.

• Feed your imagination with Scripture, classic myths, and enduring stories.

• Resources like Lewis, Tolkien, and Holly Ordway help integrate imagination into apologetics.

Sound Bites

• Reason is the organ of truth; imagination is the organ of meaning.

• We must make good men wish Christianity were true—and then prove that it is.

• Stories can sneak past watchful dragons and open hearts to truth.

• Feed your imagination a good diet of Scripture and great stories.

Chapters

1. 00:00 Introduction and Sam Whittaker’s Background

2. 02:06 The Role of Imagination in Theology and Apologetics

3. 03:18 Reason and Imagination: Insights from C.S. Lewis

4. 04:22 Practical Examples of Imaginative Apologetics

5. 07:48 Pre-Apologetics and Pascal’s Insight

6. 10:15 How Stories Shape Desire and Meaning

7. 14:00 Lewis, Tolkien, and the Power of Narrative

8. 16:10 A Seminary Class That Changed Everything

9. 19:07 Presuppositionalism and Imaginative Apologetics

10. 22:25 Storytelling as a Witness to the True Myth

11. 24:40 Practical Encouragement for Christians

12. 25:44 Recommended Resources and Next Steps

13. 29:37 Closing Reflections

Summary

In this episode, Dr. Travis Montgomery talks with Dr. Jeff Medders, Director of Theology and Content for Send Network and Visiting Professor at Midwestern Seminary, about the surprising benefit of studying the Song of Songs. Jeff shares how his PhD research on this often-overlooked book has transformed his understanding of Christ’s love and enriched his ministry. They discuss Spurgeon’s Christ-centered approach to the Song, practical ways to read it devotionally, and why recovering this book matters for Christian spirituality today. Jeff also offers recommended resources for pastors, students, and everyday believers.

About the Podcast

Local Theologians is a podcast for everyday Christians and ministry leaders from Midwestern Seminary's Global Campus. Learn more about online theological education at mbts.edu/global.

Keywords

Song of Songs, Christ-centered interpretation, Spurgeon, Christian spirituality, biblical theology, allegory, typology, marriage imagery, devotional reading, theological study

Takeaways

• The Song of Songs is not just about romance—it points to Christ’s love for His people.

• Spurgeon viewed the Song as the Holy of Holies of Scripture, a place of deep communion with Christ.

• Avoid decoding every detail; instead, meditate on metaphors and their spiritual significance.

• Reading the Song devotionally can warm affections and deepen assurance of Christ’s love.

• Our culture’s discomfort with intimacy makes recovering this book even more important.

• The Song teaches us about present-tense love—Jesus loves us now, not only in the past.

• Resources from church history and modern writers can guide faithful interpretation.

Sound Bites

• The Song of Songs is the Holy of Holies of Scripture.

• Every road in Scripture leads to Christ—and the Song is no exception.

• Jesus doesn’t have a man cave—He gives us full access to Himself.

• My beloved is mine and I am His—what greater assurance could we need?

Chapters

1. 00:00 Introduction and Jeff Medders’ Background

2. 02:08 The Surprising Benefit of Studying the Song of Songs

3. 03:25 How Jeff Discovered This Topic and Why It Matters

4. 06:55 Spurgeon’s Christ-Centered Approach to the Song

5. 11:13 Why the Song Is the Holy of Holies of Scripture

6. 13:21 Practical Ways to Read the Song Devotionally

7. 16:06 Cultural Challenges and Biblical Wisdom

8. 18:32 Marriage Imagery and Its Ultimate Referent

9. 21:18 Prophetic Poetry and the Bridegroom Motif

10. 23:40 Present-Tense Love: Jesus Loves Us Now

11. 26:58 Recommended Resources for Further Study

12. 30:28 Favorite Verses and How to Meditate on Them

13. 31:45 Closing Thoughts and Encouragement

Summary

In this episode, Travis Montgomery talks with Christy Allen, assistant professor of ministry to women at Midwestern Seminary, about the theology of the body and why embodiment matters for Christian life and ministry. Christy shares how studying Christology and the significance of Jesus taking on flesh transformed her understanding of the human body and its role in discipleship. From creation to resurrection, this conversation explores how our physicality intersects with spiritual realities and why ministry must account for both. Christy offers practical insights drawn from years of cross-cultural ministry and recommends resources for deeper study.

About the Podcast

Local Theologians is a podcast for everyday Christians and ministry leaders from Midwestern Seminary's Global Campus. Learn more about online theological education at mbts.edu/global.

Keywords

theology of the body, embodiment, Christology, ministry to women, creation, resurrection, discipleship, gender identity, biblical womanhood, pastoral care

Takeaways

• Our bodies matter because God created them and Christ took on flesh.

• Physical and spiritual realities are interconnected—what affects one impacts the other.

• Embodiment shapes ministry: physical presence and touch communicate love.

• The church should model healthy, familial affection as part of discipleship.

• Gender identity and roles are rooted in God’s design of our bodies.

• Resurrection hope affirms the goodness of the body and its future renewal.

• Practical ministry often involves tangible expressions of care alongside truth.

Sound Bites

• God made matter matter—our bodies are good and meaningful.

• Jesus didn’t just heal from a distance; He touched people.

• We are made for embodied relationships—discipleship is physical and spiritual.

• Healthy, loving touch can counter shame and communicate the gospel.

Chapters

1. 00:00 Introduction and Christy Allen’s Background

2. 01:16 The Surprising Benefit of Studying Theology of the Body

3. 03:08 Why Our Bodies Matter: Christology and Resurrection

4. 04:24 Embodiment in Creation and Redemption

5. 06:26 Cultural Misconceptions and Biblical Truth

6. 08:50 Practical Implications for Ministry and Discipleship

7. 11:03 Cross-Cultural Lessons: The Ministry of Hugs

8. 14:38 Familial Affection in the Church

9. 16:20 Embodiment and Gender Identity

10. 22:14 Biblical Womanhood and God’s Design

11. 27:05 Recommended Resources for Further Study

12. 28:42 Closing Thoughts

Summary

In this episode, Dr. Travis Montgomery hosts Dr. Ronni Kurtz, Assistant Professor of Systematic Theology at Midwestern Seminary, for a conversation on the question: Is everyone a theologian? Together, they explore why theological reflection matters for every Christian, the relationship between intellect and affections, and the importance of cultivating a theological imagination in a world full of distortions. Dr. Kurtz shares his personal journey from conversion to vocational theology, offers practical wisdom for local disciple-makers, and recommends resources for beginners and advanced students alike. The discussion emphasizes that theology is not just for the academy—it’s for the church, for everyday life, and for administering reality to those nearest to us.

About the Podcast

Local Theologians is a podcast for everyday Christians and ministry leaders from Midwestern Seminary's Global Campus. Learn more about online theological education at mbts.edu/global.

Keywords

systematic theology, theological reflection, local theologians, Christian life, intellectual formation, affections, theological imagination, discipleship, Trinity, beatific vision, resources for theology, MBTS, Midwestern Seminary

Takeaways

• Everyone is a theologian in some sense—the question is whether you will be a faithful one.

• Theology is the study of God and all things in relation to God.

• Intellectual growth and spiritual affections should fuel one another.

• Theological reflection helps Christians administer reality in a world of lies.

• Local theology matters—real ministry happens with real neighbors.

• The Trinity is the blueprint of the cosmos and deeply practical for Christian life.

• The beatific vision is the ultimate hope of heaven: seeing God himself.

• Resources and mentors—both living and dead—shape theological maturity.

Sound Bites

• You cannot not practice theology—the question is, will you be a faithful theologian?

• The world needs people who behold the glory of the Lord and administer what is real.

• Local theology is loving your actual neighbor, not just the idea of mankind.

• The Trinity is the map of the cosmos—everything is from Him, through Him, and to Him.

Chapters

1. 00:00 Introduction and Why This Conversation Matters

2. 01:30 Is Everyone a Theologian?

3. 03:03 Defining Theology: Thoughts About God and All Things in Relation to God

4. 06:03 Intellect and Affections: Loving God Through Learning

5. 08:02 Ronni Kurtz’s Journey into Theology

6. 14:54 The Role of Theological Reflection in Christian Life

7. 16:40 Administering Reality and Developing Theological Imagination

8. 21:40 What Is a Local Theologian? Why Local Theology Matters

9. 28:21 The Dislocation of Theology from Local Context

10. 32:32 Recommended Resources for Beginners, Intermediate, and Advanced

11. 38:41 Upcoming Book: Theology for Life and Other Recommendations

12. 41:12 Handling Disagreement and Cultivating Humility

13. 46:20 Why Trinitarian Theology Is Practical

14. 50:19 What Is the Beatific Vision?

15. 52:15 Closing Thoughts and Encouragement

Summary

In this episode, Travis Montgomery sits down with Dr. Todd Chipman, Associate Professor of Biblical Studies and Dean of Graduate Studies at Midwestern Seminary, as well as pastor of The Master’s Community Church. Together, they explore the surprising benefits of historical study for life and ministry. Dr. Chipman shares how his deep engagement with biblical backgrounds and historical context—especially during his PhD studies—has profoundly shaped his preaching, teaching, and personal faith. From understanding figures like Herod and Pontius Pilate to appreciating Second Temple Judaism and intertestamental literature, this conversation highlights how history enriches theological interpretation and pastoral ministry.

About the Podcast

Local Theologians is a podcast for everyday Christians and ministry leaders from Midwestern Seminary's Global Campus. Learn more about online theological education at mbts.edu/global.

Keywords

biblical theology, historical context, pastoral ministry, Second Temple Judaism, intertestamental period, preaching, hermeneutics, theological education, biblical backgrounds, Christian formation

Takeaways

• Historical study strengthens conviction and confidence in Scripture.

• Understanding the cultural and political context of the New Testament brings depth to preaching.

• Biblical theology is rooted in real historical events.

• Intertestamental literature sheds light on Jewish expectations and worldview.

• History and theology are inseparable lenses for interpreting Scripture.

• Pastors and students should integrate historical insights without overwhelming congregations.

• Christianity’s distinctiveness in the ancient world was radical and transformative.

Sound Bites

• History grips you and provides conviction.

• Jesus comes into a world where politics and religion are two sides of the same coin.

• Understanding the historical framework helps us see theological implications.

Chapters

1. 00:00 Introduction and Todd Chipman’s Background

2. 01:19 The Surprising Benefit of Historical Study

3. 03:37 How History Shapes Preaching and Pastoral Ministry

4. 06:21 Insights from Second Temple Judaism and Intertestamental Literature

5. 10:50 John 11 and the League of Assistance

6. 15:44 History, Theology, and Hermeneutics in Concert

7. 18:25 Practical Steps and Recommended Resources

8. 23:47 Christianity’s Distinctiveness in the Ancient World

9. 27:16 Closing Thoughts

Summary

This conversation with Global Campus professor Matt Boswell, Robyn Lowrie, and Andrew Cole explores the significance of embodiment in online education, particularly in theological contexts. Panelists discuss their personal experiences as online students and instructors, emphasizing the importance of community, mentorship, and local church engagement. They also highlight the challenges and opportunities of online learning, the role of place in education, and the formative aspects of corporate worship. The discussion encourages online students to integrate their studies with their local church context, fostering a holistic approach to education and spiritual formation.

About the Podcast: Local Theologians is a podcast for everyday Christians and ministry leaders from Midwestern Seminary's Global Campus. Learn more about online theological education at mbts.edu/global.

Keywords

online education, embodiment, theological education, community, local church, student experience, corporate worship, mentorship, learning, spiritual formation

Takeaways

Online education can feel dehumanizing, but it doesn't have to be.

Embodiment is crucial in both learning and ministry contexts.

Students can cultivate their education while remaining rooted in their local communities.

Mentorship plays a vital role in online theological education.

Corporate worship is essential for spiritual formation and community building.

Online students should actively engage with their local church.

Education should be seen as formative, not just pragmatic.

The local church is integral to theological education.

Students are encouraged to share their learning with their church community.

Everything learned shapes the individual and their ministry.

Sound bites

"We ought to be a little restless."

"The local church is God's plan A."

"It's shaping you in some way."

Chapters

00:00 The Importance of Embodiment in Online Education

02:57 Experiences of Online Students and Instructors

05:49 The Role of Place and Community in Learning

09:02 Connecting Online Education with Local Church

12:00 The Formative Role of Corporate Worship

14:12 Encouragement for Online Students to Engage Locally

In this conversation, Travis Montgomery interviews Wes Pastor, a seasoned church planter and pastor, about the importance of understanding true conversion in ministry. Wes shares his journey from a nominal faith to a deeper understanding of conversion, influenced by Jonathan Edwards's writings. They discuss the practical implications of this understanding in preaching, counseling, and church membership processes. Wes also highlights the work of the NETS Center, which trains and sends pastors to New England, emphasizing the need for both theological education and practical ministry experience.

About the Podcast: Local Theologians is a podcast for everyday Christians and ministry leaders from Midwestern Seminary's Global Campus. Learn more about online theological education at mbts.edu/global.

Keywords

Wes Pastor, conversion, ministry, NETS Center, counseling, church planting, theological education, pastoral training, New England, evangelism, Jonathan Edwards, Edwards

Takeaways

Understanding true conversion is crucial for effective ministry.

True conversion involves both intellectual assent and heartfelt affection.

Theological constructs can shape practical ministry outcomes.

Counseling can reveal the true spiritual state of individuals.

Marriage counseling has proven to be an effective evangelistic tool.

NETS Center provides essential training for future pastors.

Practical applications of conversion can enhance church growth.

The balance of light (doctrine) and heat (affection) is vital.

Church membership processes should assess genuine faith.

The gospel is necessary for both believers and non-believers.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Wes Pastor and His Ministry

02:05 Understanding True Conversion

06:14 The Role of Affections in Conversion

10:06 Balancing Light and Heat in Faith

12:04 Practical Applications in Ministry

16:35 Assessing Faith and Assurance

19:26 Understanding Conversion and Testimony

22:20 The Role of Counseling in Evangelism

24:14 Applying the Gospel to Life's Struggles

25:54 Resources for Understanding Conversion

28:35 Introducing the NET Center

29:33 Training Pastors for Effective Ministry

31:18 The New Residency Program

36:13 Encouragement for Future Pastors