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Revisiting Moxie and how closing it deepened their understanding of AI, ethics, and learning

The balance between innovation and honesty when your business depends on what you critique

How technical knowledge led them from excitement to skepticism

Moxie “AI Sandwich” workflow and how to use AI to brainstorm and refine while keeping the human in the middle

Kimberly’s story of watching her husband evolve from using AI for tests to using it to write creative scripts for science students

The hidden costs of AI tokens, data, energy, attention, and what it means to “pay the real price”

Why the most valuable outcomes of AI may be emotional: motivation, reassurance, and calm

Rethinking productivity: what if being “more efficient” isn’t the goal?

On understanding AI as novice vs. expert

....you can't think critically about something unless you are already an expert, unless you have some level of expertise. There came a point where we were experts enough to see… to think critically enough to say, oh, whoa, wait, hold up, hold up.

What is it worth to you?

....what would I be willing to pay if I had to pay the true cost of this? Because right now, our use of AI is fully subsidized by venture capital and these big tech companies. But if you had to pay the full cost of what that interaction was, if it's $75, would you pay for it?

Power of Choice

....what are you saying no, and what are you saying yes to? And not just in terms of financial, but all resources. Time, energy, serenity. I think about serenity as a resource for me, because I need to refill my cup. I cannot just be a yes girl, because I somehow ended up one.....what are you willing to pay for in all the different ways we pay for things, and are you saying yes to too many things?

Mirage of Productivity to Save Time

And it's just crazy to think that this is gonna give us more time, and we're gonna be more productive and more efficient. No, you're just gonna get a new task......this mirage of we'll reach so much productivity that we'll have a leisure class, it'll be a four-day work week. It's never happened, and what do you know? It's not going to happen, because that is not the culture and the system that we are in, which prioritizes growth at all costs, no matter what.

Episode 207: The Importance of Good Writing, Curiosity, Bravery, and the Process of Living

Practical AI for Educators PD for Higher Education Session 3 Breakout With Kimberly

Jessica on LinkedIn

Kimberly on LinkedIn

Link: AI Sandwich Graphic by Moxie

Book: Empire of AI

Substack: Women Writin' 'Bout AI

Podcast: Women Talkin' 'Bout AI

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Stephanie shares how family vacations to Disney sparked her early love for travel and curiosity about the world.

She explains how formative middle and high school trips inspired her to create unique, personalized travel experiences through her company, Lost in Adventure Travel.

The conversation explores how travel builds empathy and human connection by meeting people, hearing their stories, and seeing everyday life in different cultures.

Stephanie discusses how being a parent influences her approach to accessible trip planning, focusing on visual schedules, pacing, and flexibility so every traveler can fully participate.

Both reflect on the importance of downtime and moments of rest during travel, recognizing that learning and reflection often happen in those quiet spaces.

She talks about concerts and live music as experiences that bring people together, reminding us of our shared humanity.

Why travel matters

We as humans have a tendency to live inside our own echo chambers, and when we push ourselves beyond our comfort zone, which travel really can do, whether it's stepping on the airplane, getting on the train, just leaving our homes sometimes can be scary. It challenges our mindset, it challenges our bodies physically sometimes, it expands our worldview, it allows us to meet people that aren't just like us....it's really important to try and understand where other people are coming from, mindsets, like, physically, where do people live? How is it different than what my house looks like? How is it different than how I was raised?

Power of a Guide

....guides are the storytellers of the destination. Guides, I think, make or break a vacation

Creating Wanderlust Locally

Allowing yourself to go out and try a new restaurant. Try, like, go for a hike in a place you've never been. Those kind of experiences help drive the wanderlust as well, and allow us to step outside of that comfort zone a little bit.

Challenge for Living

..don't be afraid to take that first step. Whether you are traveling to Asia, or you're exploring your town, going to the concert that you wanted to go to, allow yourself to have the human experiences.

Challenge for Immersion

...allow someone to tell you a story about where you live about the town next door, go to a museum. Allow yourself to take the tour. Don't… just be your introverted self. Don't just grab your phone and learn about it, but go out there and talk to these people. And, I just think that overall, we will be better off.

Stephanie on LinkedIn

Lost in Adventure Travel

215: Born to Jump — Tara Martin on Courage, Story, and Self-Care
Why it fits: Courage and story as catalysts for change which are the same muscles you need to launch travel experiences or classroom micro-adventures.

214: From Independence Day to Interdependence — Steven Puri
Why it fits: Designing work that prioritizes culture, presence, and curiosity is perfect framing for travel as community-building.

104: Estella Owoimaha-Church — Building Empathy through the Arts
Why it fits: A deep dive on empathy and restorative practices; complements this episode’s theme of travel as perspective-taking.