Rare disease supply chain executive Michele Liuzzi and operating model design expert Olga Potaptseva join Nadia and Rob to discuss their collaboration to develop The Harmonious Operating Model, why breaking down silos is "addictive" for leaders and employees, and why organizations have to anchor their decisions in "why?".

Learn more about Sataaya Consulting at: https://www.sataaya.com

Read the whitepaper at: https://www.eucustomerconsultancy.com/operationalblueprint-2

Find season 6 episode transcripts here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bP3N6QYBG0UkzdRm5GwiFfoQLvGtIRrK?usp=sharing

Connect with us: Visit www.nazconsultants.com to learn more about Dr. Nadia Butt’s work in leadership, culture, and organizational effectiveness, and check out http://www.tekanoconsulting.com/ to explore Rob Hadley’s approach to data-driven people and culture strategy.

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Season 6 kicks off with the stories Nadia and Rob have been bursting to talk about during their hiatus. Allbirds goes from wooly shoes to AI, Deloitte creates a caste system and cuts benefits, DEI survives a major court case, and a federal worker pulls a fast one. Later, Rob rants about CEO pay and Nadia raves about Lego.

Learn more about the topics discussed in the episode today:

• https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/15/allbirds-bird-stock-shoes-ai.html

• https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/articles/deloitte-just-axed-50k-ivf-171500592.html?

• https://www.hrdive.com/news/dei-training-didnt-lead-to-hostile-work-environment-10th-circuit/820017/

• https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2026/apr/2/nehemie-almonor-federal-worker-va-admits-using-telework-get-3/

Find season 6 episode transcripts here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1i5q2ALf97g1pNz1TdSC_OBOlnPcFhsXs?usp=drive_link

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Visit www.nazconsultants.com to learn more about Dr. Nadia Butt’s work in leadership, culture, and organizational effectiveness

Visit https://luma.com/trustbydesign for workshops and webinars to use data and AI to build organizational trust

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In this season's finale, Nadia and Rob circle back on their predictions for the what has become the longest year ever. They also check in on a new workplace term to argue over and discuss the jury verdicts against Meta and what they mean for the workplace. Also, they discuss all of the great feedback they are getting on the show and share how you can work with Nadia and Rob!

Find season 5 episode transcripts here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bP3N6QYBG0UkzdRm5GwiFfoQLvGtIRrK?usp=sharing

Connect with us: Visit www.nazconsultants.com to learn more about Dr. Nadia Butt’s work in leadership, culture, and organizational effectiveness, and check out http://www.tekanoconsulting.com/ to explore Rob Hadley’s approach to data-driven inclusive strategy.

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James D. White and Krista White, authors of the bestselling book "Culture Design" stop by to discuss how leaders can build high-performing organizations intentionally, why culture may be more important than strategy. Nadia and Rob also check out the latest survey on Gen Zs attitudes towards gender roles and they check in on all of the signs of weakness in the economy. Later, Nadia rants about the return of bias on airplanes and Rob gives an art recommendation.

Connect with Krista:https://www.thekristawhite.comhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/kristawhite3/IG: @thekristawhiteConnect with James:https://www.jdwhitedesignlabs.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-d-white-086ab2153/Mentioned in this episode:- Trad wives : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/05/gen-z-men-baby-boomers-wives-should-obey-husbands?CMP=Share_iOSApp_OtherConnect with us: Visit www.nazconsultants.com to learn more about Dr. Nadia Butt’s work in leadership, culture, and organizational effectiveness, and check out http://www.tekanoconsulting.com/ to explore Rob Hadley’s approach to data-driven inclusive strategy. Send us your thoughts or topic ideas at inclusivecollectivepodcast@gmail.comFollow Inclusive Collective LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/inclusivecollective/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@inclusivecollectivepodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/inclusivecollectivepodcast/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/InclusiveCollective/ Connect with Nadia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nadianazbutt/ Connect with Rob: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-hadley-utah/

Dr. Adina Nichols of Uber joins the Inclusive Collective duo to reflect on the positive impact of AI on learning and development, how managers can create space for learning, and shares practical tips on driving behavior change. Nadia and Rob also discuss child care initiatives in Vermont and Accenture's push to monitor AI use as a key factor in granting promotions. All that and rants and raves!

Mentioned in this episode:

• https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010708448/vermont-affordable-childcare-act-76.html
• https://www.theguardian.com/accenture/2026/feb/19/accenture-links-staff-promotions-to-use-of-ai-tools?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Connect with us: Visit www.nazconsultants.com to learn more about Dr. Nadia Butt’s work in leadership, culture, and organizational effectiveness, and check out http://www.tekanoconsulting.com/ to explore Rob Hadley’s approach to data-driven inclusive strategy.

Connect with Dr. Adina Nichols: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adina-nichols-edd-94163420/

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Nadia and Rob welcome Brandon Sammut and Maggie Roque of AI-orchestration platform Zapier to talk about the practical skills learned from DEI (what Zapier calls 'DIBE') that translate to AI transformation, why all transformations are about leaders, talent & culture, and the underrated role consistency plays in building organizational trust. The team also reviews the EEOC's escalation against Nike's DEI efforts and a California lawsuit against HR hiring platform Eightfold.ai. Later, Pete Hegseth threatens Cub Scout funding and Nadia reflects on Bad Bunny's halftime glory.

Story 1: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/04/business/eeoc-nike-white-employee-discrimination.html

Story 2: https://hrexecutive.com/eightfold-ai-bias-suit-just-the-tip-of-the-iceberg/?oly_enc_id=6122G2643790C2Z

Connect with Brandon Sammut: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandon-sammut-8147b76/

Connect with us: Visit www.nazconsultants.com to learn more about Dr. Nadia Butt’s work in leadership, culture, and organizational effectiveness, and check out http://www.tekanoconsulting.com/ to explore Rob Hadley’s approach to data-driven inclusive strategy.

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Nadia and Rob welcome investor, advisor, and founder Sofia Haq to talk about the responsibilities of speaking out as a leader, building great companies, and how she sustains herself while running several ventures. But first, they check in on Amazon's poor communication in their latest round of layoffs and how Minnesota CEOs responded to the killing of Alex Preeti. Later, Rob rants about a terrible Anthropology department and Nadia applauds Walmart's unsolicited pay raises for pharmacy techs.

Connect with us: Visit www.nazconsultants.com to learn more about Dr. Nadia Butt’s work in leadership, culture, and organizational effectiveness, and check out http://www.tekanoconsulting.com/ to explore Rob Hadley’s approach to data-driven inclusive strategy.

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https://sofiahaq.com/

https://www.muslimwomenprofessionals.org/

https://slauson.co/

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This week, Nadia hosts solo while Rob is away, revisiting a powerful interview she and Rob recorded with Paolo Gaudiano. The conversation explores why equity and meritocracy are not opposites, but incomplete views of the same system and how leaders can move beyond ideology to design fair, high-performing organizations. Stick around as Nadia also shares a personal surprise at the end of the episode.

Find season 5 episode transcripts here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bP3N6QYBG0UkzdRm5GwiFfoQLvGtIRrK?usp=sharing

Connect with Paolo:

https://aleria.tech

https://linkedin.com/in/pgaudiano

Measuring Inclusion: https://amazon.com/dp/178860606X

Meritocracy (due out 6/9/26): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1788609433

Paolo's TED speaker page: https://ted.com/speakers/paolo_gaudiano

Connect with us: Visit www.nazconsultants.com to learn more about Dr. Nadia Butt’s work in leadership, culture, and organizational effectiveness, and check out http://www.tekanoconsulting.com/ to explore Rob Hadley’s approach to data-driven inclusive strategy.

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