In this episode, Flora Bensadon and Irem Cakmak are joined by Zoe Bantleman, Dr Kris van der Pas and Dr Annick Pijnenburg to discuss the externalisation of migration. What is meant by the externalisation of migration? What legal, political and moral considerations does it raise? And to what extent may contemporary externalisation efforts be seen as a wider pushback against international law?

Note: From 20:10 Dr Van der Pas discusses the upcoming changes to the connection requirement in EU law and from 30:18 Dr Pijnenburg briefly discusses the Italy-Albania deal and litigation and again the connection requirement. There have been some developments since the podcast was recorded: The European Commission published its proposal to change the connection requirement and the Court of Justice of the EU ruled on a preliminary question that affects the Italy-Albania deal.

Speakers

Zoe Bantleman – Barrister, Legal Director of the Immigration Law Practitioners’ Association (ILPA), and DPHil Migration Studies Student, University of Oxford

Dr Kris van der Pas – Postdoctoral Researcher, Tilburg University

Dr Annick Pijnenburg – Assistant Professor, International and European Law, Radboud University

Hosts

Flora Bensadon – Intern, TMC Asser Institute

Irem Cakmak – Intern, TMC Asser Institute

In a brand-new episode of JurisDictions, the Asser Institute’s international law podcast, researcher Dr Carl Lewis interviews Ammar Hijazi, Ambassador and Head of the Palestinian Mission to the Kingdom of the Netherlands and Permanent Representative of the State of Palestine to International Organizations in The Hague.

One year after the International Court of Justice delivered its Advisory Opinion on the legal consequences arising from the policies and practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem (19 July 2024), Ambassador Ammar Hijazi reflects on his role as ambassador, the importance of pursuing justice within existing international legal mechanisms, as well as the need for states to show commitment to international law.

“(…) today we see the final episodes of our erasure taking place in Palestine. These are now very clear, in terms of law. Everybody knows where everything stands. And it is up to States. Do they want this system to continue? Or do they want it to collapse on the basis of a few interests here and there, or on sheer power and bullying? That's a determination that is not up to the Palestinians. This is why it is a litmus test. Everybody's looking at Palestine.”

For the first time in history, a dedicated tribunal is being established to investigate and prosecute the crime of aggression. Join us in this episode, as Dr Gabrielė Chlevickaitė, International Criminal Law researcher at the Asser Institute, interviews H.E. Dr Anton Korynevych, Ambassador -at-large in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, on establishing the Special Tribunal for the Crime of Aggression against Ukraine.

Should you wish to read more, the Asser Institute has also released a Report on the Special Tribunal, offering the first legal analysis of the 'Council of Europe model,' as well as broader legal and policy considerations.