Unsettled with Neil Wattier

Episode 5: Jackson Gray

From College Captain to Pro Rugby Dreams with Jackson Gray

Jackson Gray was the two-time captain of Grand Canyon University Rugby, now chasing a dream to play in Major League Rugby and potentially represent the United States on the national team.

Jackson shares what it was like to step into the captain’s role, how he built on the foundation laid by his predecessors, and the lessons learned from leading a collegiate program through growth and adversity. We explore the mindset shift from “rugby is over” after college to “what if I keep going” as he considers a professional career.

This conversation isn’t just about rugby. It’s about leadership, resilience, and embracing the unknown when your path takes an unexpected turn. Whether you’re an athlete, a leader, or someone navigating your next big chapter, Jackson’s story offers both inspiration and practical takeaways.

What you’ll hear in this episode:

• How Jackson transitioned from player to captain and what he learned from past leaders
• The challenges and opportunities of leading a collegiate rugby program
• The moment he thought his rugby career was done, and what changed his mind
• What he’s learning as he prepares for a possible professional and national team career
• The role of mentorship, resilience, and self-belief in chasing big goals

This episode is a reminder that leadership isn’t about having all the answers. It’s about building on what came before you, learning as you go, and daring to imagine a future bigger than you thought possible.

Because ambition isn’t the enemy of peace. And peace doesn’t mean standing still.

Stay grounded.

Stay unsettled.

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Unsettled with Neil Wattier explores the tension between ambition and presence, between building something meaningful and staying grounded while you do it. This podcast is for those wired to chase, build, and lead… who have arrived at success but still felt restless while quietly wondering, “Why doesn’t this feel like enough?” We name the tension and we learn to live in it without burning out or checking out. Through solo reflections and honest conversations, we dive into growth, identity, resilience, and what it means to become who you’re meant to be, without losing who you already are. Host Neil Wattier blends lived experience, performance psychology, and calm strength to help you pursue more without sacrificing peace. You’ll walk away with tools, stories, and mindsets to stay centered in the pull between the now and the next. Because ambition isn’t the enemy of peace. And peace doesn’t mean standing still. Welcome to the tension

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