Peter Caputa (CEO of Databox, former 15th employee at HubSpot) returns to the Industrial Growth Institute podcast to unpack how business intelligence and AI-driven performance management can transform the way private equity firms oversee their portfolio companies.

Ed and Peter dig into Databox's evolution from a marketing dashboard tool to a full business intelligence platform — now featuring OKR management and forecast modeling — and explore why organic growth remains the most under-supported piece of most PE investment theses.

They cover:

1. Why most PE and VC firms don't closely track portfolio company performance — and the risk that creates in today's market
2. Goodhart's Law, vanity metrics, and Amazon's "weekly business review" approach to KPIs
3. The five-step SPEARS framework (Strategize, Plan, Execute, Adjust, Repeat, Scale) for building a data-informed growth strategy
4. Common blockers to becoming data-driven: broken CRM discipline, IT resistance, and misaligned incentives
5. Correlation vs. benchmarking — and how portfolio-level comparisons could reshape PE diligence and oversight
6. Why "inbound marketing" as a standalone strategy is dead, and what's replaced it (multi-channel, multi-format, multi-perspective content)
7. How AI and agentic systems are pushing businesses toward being managed more like algorithmic hedge funds

Whether you're a PE operating partner, a portco executive, or just curious how data discipline separates high performers from the rest, this conversation is packed with frameworks you can apply immediately.

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Why can't successful industrial leaders change — even when they know they should? It's not stubbornness. It's not bias. It's something deeper: their beliefs aren't opinions — they're truths. And you can't argue with truth.

How often is that dissonance the real source of buyer objections?

Understanding epistemological truths — and how to work with them instead of against them — is the key to unlocking change in your company and in your buyers.

In this solo Episode #76, host Ed Marsh explores why middle-market industrial companies struggle to adapt, even when the evidence for change is overwhelming, and lays out five practical strategies for navigating buyers' deeply held beliefs.

Summary

In this episode, Ed Marsh introduces the concept of epistemological truths — beliefs grounded in real evidence and experience that function as unassailable truth for the person holding them. He explains why these truths, not simple bias, are the real barrier to change in middle-market manufacturing companies. Using eleven common examples from industrial sales and marketing, Ed shows how two people can hold completely contradictory yet fully justified truths — and why that makes traditional persuasion useless.

He then presents five strategies for working with epistemological truths rather than against them:

• Explore whether their truths are delivering the outcomes they need
• Surface contradictory evidence without attacking the belief
• Test predictions that their truths imply
• Run premortems comparing outcomes under different assumptions
• Follow a truth to its logical conclusion to reveal gaps

Takeaways

• What we call "bias" in business is often epistemological truth - beliefs backed by real evidence and experience
• You cannot hold two contradictory truths simultaneously, which is why change feels impossible
• The traits that made founders and Gen2 leaders successful become their ceiling
• Telling buyers they're wrong doesn't work - their truth is as justified as yours
• Companies that repeat the same messaging as competitors get deflected by buyers' existing truths
• Consultative sales and marketing must help buyers examine whether their truths serve their goals
• Creating new recognition beats forcing confrontation every time
• The political polarization analog applies directly to B2B sales conversations
• Sales reps who bring business acumen and outcomes focus can reach CEOs; those peddling specs cannot
• 84% of the time vendors are contacted, the spec doesn't change - so create projects, don't just find them
• Five practical strategies can help you navigate buyers' epistemological truths without attacking them

Takeaway Quote from Ed Marsh

• "Stop trying to convince buyers they're wrong. Start helping them discover whether their truths are serving their goals."

LinkedIn: Ed Marsh

Twitter: Ed Marsh

Instagram: Ed Marsh

YouTube: @EdMarsh

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B2B sales in 2025 is confusing.

On the one hand, it's just the same as it's been for years. We need to connect with buyers, build trust, and guide them through decisions.

On the other hand, it's a completely different beast.

That's why Derek Baer is in the studio this week, for a free-wheeling, no-holes-barred discussion and debate on sales topics.

It's time to get comfortable being uncomfortable!

We talk:

• Whether to track "quotes" as a metric
• Whether anyone can be trained to sell successfully
• Accelerators (kickers) in sales compensation
• Whether we should hire for technical/industry knowledge, and more.

And the conversation is blunt. "Tell them to f$%k!ng apply" Derek says at one point!

Summary

Derek Baer brings a new format to the studio this week, debating and discussing B2B sales topics. He and Ed disagree about various aspects of sales, and agree about others. Topics include:

• the importance of tracking quotes
• the compatibility of salespeople with complex B2B sales
• qualities that make a great sales rep
• role of sales decks - significance of accelerators in compensation plans
• how to manage underperformers and disrupters within sales teams.

The conversation emphasizes the need for continuous improvement and investment in sales skills, drawing parallels between sales and other professional pursuits.

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Check out Derek's Sales Training website.

LinkedIn: Derek Baer and Ed Marsh

Twitter: Ed Marsh

Instagram: Derek Baer and Ed Marsh

YouTube: @EdMarsh

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Read more from Ed's recent paper on these critical changes.