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We’re picking right back up with Grai Garzon for Part 2 of our girl talk! After finally getting our long-distance friendship together in the same room, we get into all things beef tallow skincare, lip balm, natural beauty, and simplifying our routines.

We talk about why dry skin doesn’t have to be something you just accept, why we’re both obsessed with beef tallow as our go-to moisturizer, and how our Oceanic Organics products have made our beauty routines so much simpler — especially when traveling.

We also get into our favorite lip balm hacks, why Coastal Glow has become Liv’s secret weapon for refreshing makeup, the products we wish existed, SPF and skincare, how Grai tests new formulas, and what might be coming next for Oceanic Organics.

Plus, we somehow end up talking about audiobooks, sleeping with a TV on, and everything in between. Basically… exactly the kind of conversation you’d have with your best friend when you finally get to spend real time together.

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Liv is 33 weeks pregnant, Grai Garzon has road-tripped from Florida to Paducah, and the girls finally get some much-needed time together. 💛

In Part 1 of their conversation, Liv opens up about the surprisingly overwhelming side of pregnancy — including why constant baby kicks can actually feel overstimulating and why she's sometimes craving a little peace from all the movement. The girls also discuss phantom kicks after pregnancy and the strange ways your body can continue to feel like you're pregnant even after your baby is born.

They also get into homeschooling, comparing the experience of teaching little ones with homeschooling a teenager, and talk about their shared desire for simplicity, intentional routines, and less complicated living.

That leads naturally into Grai's work with Oceanic Organics and their philosophy of simple skincare: fewer products, simple ingredients, and a routine that doesn't require ten different steps.

The girls also get real about the challenges of marketing a small business, creating social media content, and watching influencers seemingly effortlessly produce beautiful reels.

And, of course, they talk beef tallow skincare and slugging — why they're interested in tallow as a nourishing ingredient for the skin and the difference between simply coating your skin and actually nourishing it.

A very real conversation about pregnancy, motherhood, homeschooling, simple living, clean beauty, entrepreneurship, and two longtime friends catching up. ✨

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This might be our last episode before Rachel welcomes baby #3… and somehow we ended up talking about pregnancy, birth, iron infusions, and accidentally flooding the house.

This week on In Her Season, the girls catch up on all the things happening as they get closer and closer to welcoming their babies. We celebrate a friend's new baby girl, compare very different birth experiences and philosophies, and hear about the third trimester realities of pregnancy.

Rachel also shares how much better she's feeling after receiving iron infusions following severe iron deficiency during her pregnancies — and just how dramatically her energy and mental clarity changed.

And then there's the bathroom.

What started as an attempt to install a bidet sprayer for cloth diapering turned into water spraying through the house, a frantic rescue mission, a Shop-Vac borrowed from the neighbors, a mattress that may or may not have survived, and Liv scrubbing floors on her hands and knees while eight months pregnant. Naturally.

It's pregnancy, birth stories, motherhood prep, home chaos, and a whole lot of girl talk as we head into another major season of life. 💛

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