In this Season 3 bonus episode of The Immersive Medical Podcast, VRpatients’ Devin Marble raises a simple question—“Do we really need ‘multiplayer’ VR?”—that calls into question the entire way the nursing industry approaches immersive simulation. Joined by Nurse Practitioner and educator, Maggie Lysaght, they discuss whether group-based virtual scenarios truly serve future nurses, or if there’s a better method. Tune in for a provocative look at how immersive VR and AI could transform clinical training, one nurse at a time.Key Moments (Timestamps)

• 0:00 – Introduction
  Devin Marble introduces himself from VRpatients, and Maggie greets viewers as a Nurse Practitioner.

• 0:02 – Meet Maggie
  Maggie explains her background: RN since 2008, NP since 2012, and an educator at the University of Cincinnati.

• 0:09 – Purpose of the Fireside Chat
  Devin frames the conversation around nursing and simulation, looking for Maggie’s perspective on traditional vs. immersive training.

• 0:25 – Background & Teaching
  Maggie shares her teaching role and how it differs from Devin’s paramedic teaching experience.

• 1:00 – Why Do We Still Use the Same Simulation Model?
  Devin explores the high cost and resource constraints of traditional manikins and the impact on group-based simulation.

• 3:12 – “When Are You Getting Multiplayer?”
  Devin reveals the most frequent question VRpatients hears, and Maggie offers insight on team-based care vs. day-to-day nursing reality.

• 5:03 – Real Clinical Scenarios
  They discuss codes, multi-provider involvement, and why a large group isn’t the norm outside of emergencies.

• 7:03 – The 60+ Year Legacy of Group Simulation
  Maggie and Devin question why educators still gather students around one manikin, pointing to historical resource limitations.

• 9:00 – Group Pre-Brief, Solo Sim, Group Debrief
  Devin introduces his vision for VR-based training: group discussions, individual immersions, and collaborative reflection.

• 10:24 – The Reality of One Nurse, One Patient
  Maggie underscores the importance of one-on-one simulation for developing critical thinking skills.

• 12:00 – Handling Multiple Patients Over Time
  Devin raises the idea of successive simulations for each patient scenario rather than “multiplayer” or large group sessions.

• 16:16 – Wrap-Up & Thanks
  Devin thanks Maggie for her time, jokingly offering her future medical rescue duties. They hint at making this a recurring series.

Summary

In this episode of the Immersive Medical Podcast, Devin Marble and Susie Kardon-Egren discuss the integration of AI in healthcare, particularly in nursing education. They explore the implications of large language models, the potential for autonomous AI, and the importance of transparency in AI training. The conversation also addresses the looming healthcare worker shortage and the role of human intuition in clinical decision-making, emphasizing the need for ethical considerations in AI development. In this conversation, Suzie Edgren and Devin Marble discuss the integration of AI in healthcare education, focusing on the importance of realistic training scenarios, governance in AI usage, data privacy, and the future of AI in decision-making. They emphasize the need for educators to adapt to new technologies while ensuring that training prepares students for real-world challenges. The discussion also highlights the evolving role of educators in collaborating with technology vendors to enhance training outcomes.

Takeaways

AI is becoming increasingly important in healthcare education.

Large Language Models (LLMs) can enhance clinical training.

Autonomous AI can make decisions without human input.

Transparency in AI training is crucial for ethical use.

High stakes evaluations must occur in real clinical settings.

AI can help alleviate the nursing shortage by improving efficiency.

Human intuition and experience are irreplaceable in healthcare.

Bias in AI training can lead to ethical concerns.

AI can simulate clinical scenarios but lacks human understanding.

The future of nursing education will involve AI integration. Training with realistic scenarios is crucial for student preparedness.

Governance features in AI can enhance user confidence.

Integration of AI in education raises data privacy concerns.

AI will soon have the ability to make autonomous decisions.

Educators must adapt to new technologies in healthcare training.

Collaboration with vendors is essential for effective AI implementation.

Students need to practice in environments that reflect real-world challenges.

AI can help streamline evaluations and feedback for students.

Curiosity and inquiry are vital as AI becomes more prevalent.

The future of healthcare education will involve more technology and innovation.

Joe Rothschild from the CDC discusses OneLabVR, a virtual reality training platform for laboratory professionals. OneLab VR provides a safe and repeatable environment for learning laboratory procedures and skills. It aims to bridge the gap between traditional online e-learning and hands-on training. The platform includes various laboratory scenarios, such as microbiology, pathology, and chemical labs, with lab-specific instruments and hardware. OneLab VR also offers a multiplayer component, allowing subject matter experts to host live training sessions. The goal of OneLab VR is to create safer and more productive laboratories and attract the next generation of laboratory workers.

• 1:03 – Introduction of Joe Rothschild from the CDC and OneLabVR
• 7:53 – Joe discusses how OneLabVR bridges the gap between e-learning and hands-on lab training
• 10:30 – The CDC’s goal with OneLabVR: attracting the next generation of lab professionals
• 9:02 – Multiplayer feature: live training sessions hosted by experts
• 31:53 – The CDC’s partnership with APHL to give away free VR headsets to clinical and public health labs
• 35:45 – Long-term goals: safer, more productive labs through OneLabVR
• 18:00 – First-ever live VR demo on the podcast: entering the OneLabVR environment
• 22:01 – Demonstrating how to select and handle proper lab specimens in VR

• Reach.cdc.gov - Recourses, eLearning courses, video job aides.
• vr.cdc.gov - The VR-Ready Laboratory program provides VR headsets to public health laboratories, academic laboratories, and educational programs within clinical laboratories. To request VR headset(s), contact us at VR@cdc.gov
• Email vr@cdc.gov to inquire about VR ready laboratories program.

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