Dr. Umar Johnson returns to It’s Up There for Part 2 and takes the conversation far beyond comedy, controversy, and viral headlines. Loon presses Dr. Umar on Kevin Hart’s Breakfast Club response after the Netflix roast backlash, the responsibility of being the face of the roast, Sheryll Underwood, Black celebrity silence, and whether comedy is being used to make Black people laugh at their own humiliation. The conversation also moves into Rick Chow being acquitted after the shooting death of Cyrus Carmack-Belton, the comparison to Latasha Harlins, the Shell boycott conversation, Asian-owned businesses, Black infrastructure, Black parents raising sons in white suburbs, and why Dr. Umar says Black people keep having rebellions instead of revolutions. Dr. Umar also addresses Chud The Builder, Jake Lang, racial agitators, Big Groove, the “chimping out” term, Karmelo Anthony, no Black jurors, Black self-defense, Black leadership, and why he believes Black America has to stop reacting emotionally and start organizing strategically. This is Part 2 of Dr. Umar Johnson on It’s Up There. Editorial note: This episode includes commentary and allegations stated by the speakers. Claims about disputed facts, legal cases, comedy, race, public figures, and individuals involved are attributed to the speakers and should be understood as commentary.

00:00 Cold Open: Kevin Hart, Rick Chow, Chud & Black America 01:00 Dr. Umar Returns For Part 2 02:45 Jake Lang Outside The Courthouse 05:30 Chud The Builder, Jake Lang & Racial Trigger Traps 08:45 Dr. Umar Calls For Black Organization 11:30 “We Have No Allies” And Black Self-Defense 14:15 Chud Armed At Courthouse vs Karmelo Multi-Tool 17:30 White Privilege, Bias & The Justice System 20:45 Rick Chow, Cyrus Carmack-Belton & Latasha Harlins 24:30 Dr. Umar Questions The Rick Chow Case 28:00 Black Parents, White Suburbs & Raising Black Boys 31:00 George Stinney And Black Children In America 34:00 Dr. Umar Calls For Shell Gas Station Boycott 36:30 Boycotts, Rebellions vs Revolutions 39:15 Black Infrastructure: Gas Stations, Schools & Track Meets 42:00 Big Groove, Buffoonery & White Humor 44:45 “Chimping Out,” The N-Word & School Lawsuits 48:30 Kevin Hart’s Breakfast Club Response 51:00 Dr. Umar On Jokes Removed From The Roast 53:15 Cheryl Underwood, Shane Gillis & The Roast Backlash 55:30 Was The Roast Bigger Than Comedy? 57:30 If A Joke Is A Joke, Why Can Everybody Else Be Offended? 1:00:00 The George Floyd Joke Was Not The Only Issue 1:02:15 Dr. Umar Says Kevin Hart Gets One More Chance 1:03:45 Cheryl Underwood, Netflix & Black Celebrity Humiliation 1:05:00 End

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Dr. Umar Johnson returns to It’s Up There with Loon for a full episode conversation on the Karmelo Anthony case, Austin Metcalf, the 35-year sentence, Austin Metcalf’s dad, no Black jurors, stand your ground, self-defense, the appeal, race, and the trial that has divided America. In this episode, Dr. Umar goes all the way in on why he believes the Karmelo Anthony case is bigger than one courtroom. He reacts to the verdict, the 35-year sentence, the no-Black-juror issue, the self-defense argument, Austin Metcalf’s father, the defense team, the witness situation, and the larger question of whether Black children are allowed to defend themselves in America. Loon presses Dr. Umar on the questions people are arguing about right now: Was 35 years justice? Did Karmelo Anthony get a fair trial? Was “touch me and see what happens” a threat or a warning? Would Dr. Umar defend a white teen if the roles were reversed? Did Austin Metcalf’s dad go too far after the verdict? And what should Karmelo’s family do next with the appeal? Dr. Umar also speaks on multiculturalism, Black first, Jake Lang outside the courthouse, the father’s viral rant, Eddie Parra, the defense team, legal execution, jury selection, and why he believes this case exposed a deeper double standard in America. Editorial note: This episode contains commentary and allegations stated by the speakers. Claims about disputed facts, legal strategy, jury selection, race, and individuals involved in the case are attributed to the speakers and should be understood as commentary.

00:00 Dr. Umar Johnson Returns To It’s Up There 01:25 The Pan-African Fast And Spiritual Discipline 03:05 Numerology, Destiny And Alignment 04:35 Why Wealth Comes With Black Responsibility 06:10 Michael Jackson, Money And Philanthropy 07:40 Repentance, Forgiveness And Arrogance 09:15 Loon Brings Up The Karmelo Anthony Case 10:25 Dr. Umar Reacts To The Verdict 11:55 Why Umar Says This Case Is Bigger Than Court 13:25 The Original Crime In America Is Being Black 14:55 Karmelo Anthony, Austin Metcalf And Race In America 16:30 Zimmerman, Rittenhouse, Daniel Penny And Rick Chow Comparisons 18:20 Stand Your Ground And Black Self-Defense 20:00 Could Karmelo Anthony Get A Fair Trial? 21:25 No Black Jurors In The Trial 22:45 Dr. Umar Says Multiculturalism Died 24:15 35 Years For Karmelo Anthony 25:35 Was Murder The Right Charge? 27:00 The Grand Jury Question 28:20 Karmelo Anthony Being Tried As An Adult 29:45 The Caysen Allison Comparison 31:10 Loon Asks The Role-Reversal Question 32:40 Would Umar Defend A White Teen? 34:05 Threat Or Warning? 35:25 The Self-Defense Argument 37:00 Dr. Umar Questions The Defense Team 38:30 The Private Investigator Question 39:55 Why Umar Says The Trial Was An Inside Job 41:40 The Appeal And What Comes Next 43:05 Eddie Parra And The Judas Witness Claim 44:35 Dr. Umar Warns Karmelo About Prison Calls 46:05 Austin Metcalf’s Dad Goes Viral 47:25 Dr. Umar Reacts To Jeff Metcalf’s Rant 49:00 The Victim Impact Moment 50:35 Conditioning Is Stronger Than Intelligence 52:10 Trump And Public Racism 53:45 Where Were The Other Groups For Karmelo? 55:15 Black First 56:45 Jake Lang Outside The Courthouse 58:15 Final Thoughts On Karmelo Anthony, Austin Metcalf And Justice.

#DrUmarJohnson #KarmeloAnthony #AustinMetcalf #JeffMetcalf #ItsUpThere #BigLoon #loon Dr. Umar says the Karmelo Anthony case is bigger than one courtroom. Was 35 years justice, or did the trial expose a double standard?

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Jay-Z came outside at Roots Picnic, and everybody immediately started arguing about the obvious stuff. Who was he dissing? Was it Drake? Was it Nicki? Was it Kanye? Was it Dame Dash? Was the freestyle hard or was it “mid”? But Loon says the real play is underneath all of that. In this solo episode of It’s Up There, Loon breaks down the part of Jay-Z’s freestyle that most people missed — why Drake may have the internet, the fan base, the streamers, and the narrative machine on his side, but Jay-Z may be trying to pull him into a completely different kind of fight. And that is where it gets dangerous. Because Loon also believes Jay-Z made one mistake that gave the internet exactly what it needed to flip the conversation before the bars could even breathe. This episode gets into Jay-Z’s Roots Picnic freestyle, Drake’s narrative advantage, Akademiks’ reaction, Dame Dash, Nicki Minaj, Kanye, the “too old” conversation, and why hip-hop media is no longer just reacting to rap beef — it is helping shape it. Then Loon gets into the Diddy and Daphne Joy tape fallout, 50 Cent’s response, industry relationships, public embarrassment, co-parenting, and what happens when private choices become public content. This is not a reaction. This is the play behind the play. 00:00 Loon Returns 00:42 The Algorithm Is Forcing A Schedule 02:15 Hip-Hop Media Is In A Strange Place 03:18 You Buy The Game With Your Attention 04:02 Jay-Z Steps Back Outside 05:19 The Narrative Was Already Moving 06:31 Jay-Z’s Roots Picnic Freestyle 09:55 Loon Reacts To The Freestyle 10:41 What Everybody Missed About Jay-Z And Drake 12:22 Rap Beef Is Bigger Than Bars Now 13:10 The “Mid” Narrative 14:15 The Mistake Loon Thinks Jay-Z Made 15:29 Why Jay-Z Can’t Tiptoe Around Certain Conversations 16:17 The Age Narrative Around Hov 18:17 Akademiks’ Jay-Z Take 19:14 The Machine Comes For Jay-Z 20:00 Why Even Jay-Z Hears The Noise 22:05 When Narratives Start Growing Legs 24:11 Nicki, Kanye, Drake And Fan Base Power 25:04 Hip-Hop’s Problem With Aging 26:24 Why Artists Can’t Just Drop Music Anymore 27:21 The Commander-In-Chief Metaphor 28:14 Akademiks Breaks Down Jay-Z 30:21 How Stats Get Used Against Artists 31:33 The Media Tricks Loon Caught 33:17 Should Drake, Nicki Or Kanye Respond? 34:18 Is Hip-Hop Trying To Age Jay-Z Out? 36:11 Why The Narrative Is Sticking 36:58 Did Jay-Z Spread Enough Money Around? 38:11 The Real Drake Setup 39:01 Drake’s Creative Armor 40:13 The Place Jay-Z May Be Trying To Pull Drake 41:15 Why Jay-Z Really Came Outside 42:00 Hip-Hop Legends Are Not Trespassing 43:20 Artists And Media Need Each Other 44:12 Jay-Z, T.I. And Comeback Energy 45:12 Diddy Tape Fallout 46:21 Daphne Joy, Love And Surrender 47:22 Diddy’s Red Light Situation 48:47 Loon Reacts To The Tape 53:37 50 Cent Responds 55:29 Co-Parenting And Public Embarrassment 57:05 Drake, Sauce Walka And Relationship Games 58:25 Why Loon Avoids Industry Love Triangles 59:22 Choosing Who You Have Children With Matters 01:01:00 Final Thoughts Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO

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