In this episode of In Service of Health, host Dr. Joneigh S. Khaldun sits down with Kody Kinsley, former Secretary of the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services, for an honest and wide-ranging conversation about what it takes to build a health system that truly serves everyone.

Kinsley shares how his early experiences navigating care without health insurance shaped his lifelong commitment to improving health access. Together, Secretary Kinsley and Dr. Khaldun explore how to bridge the divide between health care and public health, strengthen rural health systems, and foster bipartisan collaboration.

From lessons in trust and continuous quality improvement to practical insights on harm reduction and vaccine hesitancy, this conversation underscores a central truth: advancing health requires empathy, humility, and a commitment to meeting people where they are.

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In the premiere episode of In Service of Health, PHAB President and CEO Dr. Joneigh S. Khaldun shares her origin story and reflects on a life-threatening medical experience that shaped her vision for patient-centered care and explains why this podcast was created: to spark candid, cross-sector conversations about the systemic changes needed to improve health in America.

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This is the podcast for professionals and changemakers who care deeply about the health of our society, and want to do something about it. Whether you work in public health, health care, government, or a mission-driven organization, this podcast from the Public Health Accreditation Board (PHAB) challenges you to think differently about your role in advancing health.

Hosted by PHAB's CEO Dr. Joneigh Khaldun, this podcast bridges the often-siloed worlds of public health and health care. Through candid conversations with leaders across sectors, we explore bold ideas, real-world strategies, and the critical connections that drive meaningful, systemic change.

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