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What happens when the uniform comes off—but the weight of leadership doesn’t?

In this episode of Off Script, host Josh Fisher sits down with veteran and leader Mark Allen for an unfiltered conversation about leadership beyond the ranks, titles, and tough exteriors. Together, they explore what it really means to lead with vulnerability, emotional intelligence, and authenticity—especially after years of service and sacrifice.

From the mental discipline of cold plunges to the emotional unraveling that often follows retirement, this episode digs deep into identity, mental health, and the pressure to hold it all together. Mark shares personal stories of pain, healing, and rediscovery—and how stepping off the traditional script of leadership allowed him to reconnect with his truth.

Whether you’re in uniform, behind a desk, or in a season of transition—this is for anyone who’s ever asked, “Who am I without the role?”

• Leadership is about human connection, not just command

• Cold plunges reveal mental resilience and body trust

• Sacrifice in service often comes at a personal cost

• Emotional awareness builds stronger, more authentic leaders

• Vulnerability isn’t weakness—it’s the bridge to real connection

• Retirement can spark identity crises—but it can also spark growth

• You don’t have to be perfect to be powerful—you just have to be honest

• Strong Hope

• Mark’s Podcast: Voices in Silence

• https://a.co/d/2vKzM9A

• The Off Script Journal – A companion to the podcast

• The Unfolding – A 12-Phase Guided Journal for Healing What Hurts

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