Orla and Leanne are back for a heartfelt and hilarious reflection episode. They check in on the anonymous listener who bravely shared her story, share the beautiful message she sent back, and dig into the theme of feeling like you're "betraying" your mam by telling your story. From there, the girls get wonderfully side-tracked — covering generational gaps, social media anxiety, dopamine hits from our phones, soup disasters, family finances, and the son-in-law who arrived during Covid and never left. Real talk, big laughs, and a lot of love.

• 00:00 Welcome back & a thank you to the anonymous listener
• 01:30 She sent a message: "It's nice to know I'm not alone"
• 02:50 The fear of betraying your mam by telling your story
• 04:25 Everyone remembers the same story differently
• 06:08 "How's your ma?" — what that question means for people without a mam
• 07:16 Becoming your mother without realising it
• 08:45 The generational gap: what mams knew that we didn't
• 09:19 Feeling like an alien around younger people
• 11:33 Reflecting on Katie and John's story
• 13:44 We need to talk slower (but we won't)
• 14:06 TikTok struggles & CapCut chaos
• 15:17 Orla can bake, but she cannot make soup
• 16:37 Social media, Instagram, and keeping up
• 18:28 Phone anxiety and anxious attachment in the mid-20s
• 19:13 Dopamine Nation & how we communicate now
• 21:10 Voice notes, blue ticks, and the pressure of instant replies
• 23:34 How Orla "manages" Ed's bank account (financial chaos)
• 25:24 "You're not just marrying Orla, you're marrying me" — mams and marriages
• 26:43 Orla's brilliant relationship with her son-in-law
• 29:11 He's showing your girls what a good man looks like
• 30:40 Wrapping up: stories, reflections, and gratitude for each other
• 34:33 Next episode teaser: a guest is coming in!

Leanne and Orla are joined by Katie for a heartfelt and honest conversation about friendship, motherhood, love, and loss.

What starts as a light introduction quickly unfolds into a deeper chat about women’s connections, navigating life’s challenges, and the realities behind the conversations we don’t always have out loud.

Katie shares her personal experiences with warmth and openness, offering insight into relationships, resilience, and what it really means to support each other through different stages of life.

This episode is full of laughs, honesty, and moments that will resonate with anyone who’s ever leaned on friendship to get through the tough times.

⏱️ Timecodes

00:00 – 01:30
Introductions – Orla & Leanne welcome Katie and chat about how they met

01:30 – 03:30
First impressions, friendships, and settling into the conversation

03:30 – 06:00
Katie’s background and early life discussion

06:00 – 10:00
Relationships, marriage, and building connections

10:00 – 15:00
Conversations around having children and expectations

15:00 – 22:00
Deeper discussion on motherhood and personal experiences

22:00 – 30:00
Love, loss, and emotional challenges

30:00 – 40:00
Support systems, friendships, and coping mechanisms

40:00 – 50:00
Real talk: struggles, resilience, and honesty

50:00 – 60:00
Reflections, advice, and lessons learned

60:00 – End
Closing thoughts, final chats, and wrap-up

This week, Leanne and Orla share a raw and deeply moving story sent in by a listener — a woman who grew up in a home shaped by infidelity, neglect, and addiction, who became the caretaker of her younger siblings from childhood, and who is now, as an adult, looking after the very mother who failed her.

The girls talk about what it means to carry that kind of weight, the guilt and shame that comes with complex feelings toward a parent, and whether it's ever okay to say no. They introduce the concept of "lighthouses" — those rock-steady people in our lives who see us for who we truly are — and reflect on what it means to survive, to grow, and to finally be heard.

Orla also opens up about her own experience growing up as a mixed-race woman in Ireland in the 80s, facing racism and poverty, and the lighthouses who helped shape her into who she is today.

An honest, emotional, and ultimately empowering conversation. You are not alone.

Timecodes:

00:00 — Welcome & introducing this week's listener story

00:32 — The listener's story is read out — infidelity, neglect, and a childhood lost to responsibility

02:55 — "My ma is currently dying of cancer and I despise having to look after her"

03:27 — Orla & Leanne react — championing her strength and asking: is it okay to say no?

06:22 — Introducing the lighthouse concept — the people who are rock steady in our lives

07:28 — What it meant for her to finally get this off her chest

08:12 — Being the eldest daughter and the weight of responsibility

09:48 — Referencing Katrina O'Sullivan's Outside Mullingar — stories of poverty and resilience on stage

11:21 — These stories aren't unique — the hidden impact of adverse childhood experiences

12:52 — Stories lived vs. stories told — the importance of safety and no judgment

14:25 — Growth over comfort & giving yourself permission to say no

15:33 — Invitation to the listener to reach out or come on the show

17:20 — Survivors of life — what it means to watch people get over the hump

19:15 — We want to hear the real you — the difference between the smile you wore and what you truly felt

21:29 — Orla opens up about growing up mixed-race in 80s Ireland — racism, poverty, and identity

24:27 — Don't be quick to judge — you never know what someone is carrying

25:33 — Closing thoughts — a smile goes a long way