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Have Toga, Will Travel: Exploring Greece and Rome, Ancient and Modern

Have Toga, Will Travel: Exploring Greece and Rome, Ancient and Modern

著者： Emily Jusino PhD (Classics) and Cam Hawkins PhD (Ancient History)
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A podcast exploring the Mediterranean world, ancient and modern, through the eyes of two former Classics professors. Join Emily and Cam as they chat about all things Ancient Greek and Roman and share their own adventures exploring the Mediterranean world through history, travel, literature, and film. Emily Jusino is a specialist in ancient Greek tragedy who also thinks deeply about how modern culture interacts with the literature and mythology of the ancient Greek and Roman worlds. Cam Hawkins has spent years reading, teaching, and writing about ancient history—ancient Greek history, ancient Roman history, and the history of a smattering of other cultures. Both have travelled extensively in Italy and Greece and love talking about their travels. We release new episodes on or about the 1st and 15th of every month. https://havetogawilltravel.comCopyright 2025 Emily Jusino and Cam Hawkins 世界 旅行記・解説 社会科学
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  • Euripides’ Trojan Women: The Fall of Troy in Greek Tragedy

    Euripides’ Trojan Women: The Fall of Troy in Greek Tragedy
    2026/09/01

    In “Trojan Women”, the Athenian playwright Euripides highlights an aspect of the Trojan War neglected by Christopher Nolan in “The Odyssey”: the true horror of Troy’s capture and destruction. In this episode, Emily and Cam break down Euripides’ play. Produced at Athens mere months after the Athenians captured Melos (where the Athenians killed all of the men and enslaved the city’s women and children), Euripides’ play offers a powerful and moving depiction of war’s impact on its victims by exploring the suffering and heroism of three Trojan women: Hecuba, Cassandra, and Andromache.

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    Links to previous episodes mentioned in this show:

    • Our episode about Christopher Nolan’s Odyssey.
    • Our episode about Sophocles’ Philoctetes.

    Watch Michael Cacoyannis’ film version of the Trojan Women on Daily Motion.

    Cover image adapted from a photo of George Romney’s “Lady Emma Hamilton as Cassandra”, taken by Jan Arkesteijn (Wikimedia Commons).

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    00:10 - Introduction

    02:16 - Content Warning!

    02:53 - Euripides’ Trojan Women

    • 02:56 - Euripides and his work
    • 06:49 - The Play’s Context: the Peloponnesian War and the sack of Melos

    11:12 - Plot Synopsis

    • 11:14 - Poseidon and Athena hatch a scheme
    • 13:16 - Talthybius, Hecuba, and the Allotment of the Captives to Agamemnon, Neoptolemus, and Odysseus
    • 15:09 - Cassandra
    • 16:05 - Andromache
    • 17:16 - The agon: Menelaus, Helen, and Hecuba
    • 21:57 - The funeral of Astyanax and the death of Troy

    23:00 - War and Suffering: Hecuba and Talthybius

    • 23:26 - Christopher Nolan’s Odyssey and Euripides’ Trojan Women: a difference in perspective
    • 25:09 - The Pain of Hecuba, Cassandra, and Andromache (and a digression on Odysseus)
    • 29:35 - Hecuba: Leadership and Resilience
    • 33:11 - The Empathy of Talthybius

    39:23 - Agency and Humanity

    • 39:46 - The women as heroes
    • 39:54 - Cassadra’s vengeance
    • 40:42 - Andromache, Neoptolemus, and Astyanax
    • 41:57 - Hecuba
    • 43:04 - Helen and Talthybius

    45:04 - Fortune is Fickle

    • 45:51 - Greek literature and the instability of fortune
    • 48:00 - Agency again: fate and choice

    50:57 - The Victors and their Comeuppance

    • 51:20 - Nolan’s view on war and society
    • 52:12 - Euripides and the wrath of the gods
    • 54:54 - Digression: Michael Cacoyannis’ “Trojan Women”, featuring Irene Papas

    55:53 - Athens and the Trojan Women

    • 56:53 - Empathy for the victims of warfare
    • 57:32 - Euripides as Cassandra?

    59:11 – Final Thoughts and Wrap-up
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  • Odysseus in Greek Tragedy: Sophocles’ Philoctetes

    Odysseus in Greek Tragedy: Sophocles’ Philoctetes
    2026/08/15
    When modern authors and filmmakers like Christopher Nolan adapt ancient myths and characters, they are following an old and well-worn precedent. In this episode, Emily and Cam explore how the Athenian playwright Sophocles adapted a well-known story about Odysseus and used it in his play, Philoctetes, to explore questions about deception, persuasion, and intractable situations.Visit our homepage to subscribe, to find us on social media, and to contact us by email:https://havetogawilltravel.comIf you liked this episode, buy us a coffee:Our Ko-Fi pageLinks to our episodes dealing with the Odyssey:Our overview of Homer’s Odyssey.Our episode about Christopher Nolan’s Odyssey.Our episode about the “The Return”, Uberto Passolini’s splendid 2024 adaptation of Homer’s Odyssey.Links to our other episodes touching on ancient drama (or adaptations thereof):Aeschylus’ Persians: The OG Greek Tragedy.Something for everyone! Plautus and “A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum”.Cover image: Lekythos depicting Philoctetes in the Metropolitan Museum of Art (56.171.58); adapted from a photo by Marie-Lan Nguyen, Wikimedia Commons.----------00:11 - Introduction02:50 - Sophocles’ Philoctetes02:55 - The performance: 409, at the end of the Peloponnesian War03:07 - Athenian Tragedy in the late 5th century: actors and the chorus05:37 - The competitive context07:26 - The Myth of Philoctetes07:39 - Son of Poias07:57 - Philoctetes, the Trojan War, and Lemnos09:37 - Philoctetes and the Bow of Herakles10:30 - Philoctetes: Plot Summary10:43 - The opening scene: a plot is hatched13:22 - The encounter with Philoctetes15:10 - The “merchant” enters the scene18:00 - Philoctetes’ seizure and Neoptolemus’ moral crisis18:57 - Odysseus’ surprise entry20:21 - Odysseus and Neoptolemus have a spat21:35 - The epiphany22:17 - Sophocles’ innovations22:54 - Lemnos: a deserted island23:25 - Neoptolemus replaces Diomedes24:36 - A digression on other plays about Philoctetes: Aeschylus and Euripides25:57 - Odysseus in Philoctetes26:10 - Odysseus as trickster27:14 - The Homeric precedent28:23 - Sophocles’ move: Odysseus, disguise, and a destabilization of trust: are the minor characters who they say they are?35:26 - Deception in Philoctetes35:35 - Is Odysseus the play’s “bad guy”?38:43 - The chorus has a different view!39:10 - Philoctetes isn’t a straightforward “good guy”!40:48 - Neoptolemus: is deception good when you do it to help someone else?43:57 - Sophocles doesn’t give us easy lessons44:43 - Intractable Problems45:04 - The impasse46:33 - The epiphany of Heracles and what it might mean48:47 - A happy ending for Philoctetes—and for Odysseus!50:15 - The value of deception: an open question (and Sophocles’ brilliance)51:21 - Wrap-up
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  • The Odyssey, by Christopher Nolan: Our Take on the Movie of the Summer

    The Odyssey, by Christopher Nolan: Our Take on the Movie of the Summer
    2026/08/01

    Emily and Cam take on Christopher Nolan’s film, “The Odyssey.” Everyone has an opinion on this movie, and Emily and Cam are no different. Sheep, and Cyclops, and Circe, oh my!

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    Useful Links:

    • Listen to our overview of Homer’s Odyssey.
    • Listen to our episode about the “The Return”, Uberto Passolini’s splendid 2024 adaptation of Homer’s Odyssey.

    Cover image: adapted from “The Wine-Dark Sea,” a photo by Alan Hughes, Wikimedia Commons.

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    00:11 - Introduction

    • 01:06 - The bottom line (good and bad)
    • 02:39 - The film as a reflecting pool (or theater set)

    03:52 - Synopsis

    06:45 - What we loved

    • 06:49 - Practical effects and a textured world (featuring the sheep!)
    • 10:10 - The film’s visual language: costumes, colors, props, palaces (historical accuracy is NOT the goal here)
    • 14:04 - A deep and talented bench of actors (with a shoutout to Himesh Patel and John Leguizamo)
    • 17:31 - Some choice storytelling moments
    • 20:02 - The adventure stories: Polyphemus’ cave; the sirens; the underworld; Circe
    • 27:23 - Athena and the other gods

    29:14 - Approaching Nolan's Odyssey

    • 29:21 - How we evaluate movies like this: give us a smart adaptation that does something interesting!
    • 30:32 - The story Nolan wants to tell: war damages both individuals and societies, causing trauma and social collapse
    • 33:52 - The main problem: too much telling, not enough showing

    36:25 - Odysseus breaks the world?

    • 36:38 - The setup: Zeus’ Law, the Trojan Horse, and the Sea Peoples
    • 37:09 - The horse: a gift for Athena, or a gift for Zeus?
    • 38:37 - Odysseus and his crew as the “Sea Peoples”: an unconvincing yarn
    • 44:14 - The Sea Peoples as a hollow threat?

    47:17 - Odysseus traumatized?

    • 47:36 - The nature of Odysseus’ suffering
    • 48:11 - Odysseus and his (lack of?) relationships with his crew
    • 49:29 - Odysseus and Sinon
    • 52:11 - Odysseus miraculously recovers (but doesn’t seem to learn anything?)

    53:58 - Violence in Nolan’s film

    • 54:39 - Christopher Nolan’s take on depicting violence and alienating audiences
    • 55:52 - The horrors witnessed by Odysseus at Troy
    • 57:29 - Odysseus takes on the suitors

    59:49 - Unsatisfying Endings

    • 60:08 - The problems with Penelope (and her treehouse bed!)
    • 63:02 - Rushed endings and dangling resolutions
    • 65:02 - Words of wisdom spoken at the bar

    66:18 - Final takeaways: our thoughts on why this film looks the way it does

    • 66:30 - The Adventure Stories (a.k.a. the Odyssey Trap)
    • 67:49 - Unsatisfying stakes?
    • 68:59 - Odysseus the hero

    71:16 - Wrap-up
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