Ann talks about her muddled thinking rooted in the choices a family faces when deciding where a loved one with a long-term illness will die, along with her anticipatory grief, as her father lies dying.

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In response to a few requests, Ann introduces the conversation about losing pets, the ensuing grief, and her anticipatory grief about Flannery, Victoria's cat, dying before Ann does. She welcomes others who have lost pets to email her to share their stories at ann@groundinggrief.com

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Ann talks about the enduring nature of grief, how it can creep up unexpectedly, and time's capacity to soften it. 

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Author Liz Newman joins Ann to talk about the grieving process, sharing memories, and uncovering hope along the way.

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Ann recalls the early steps she and her family stumbled through as they faced the first holidays without Victoria. 

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Following their discussion on suicide, Ann and Vickie talk about uncovering transformative gifts in grief.

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Vickie and Charlie became our friends through church. I remember when their son was born more than thirty years ago. Although they would divorce, they remained friends and raised him together. Just 11 days after  Victoria's funeral, we would congregate in the same church at Charlie's. Like her death, his rocked our community. Warm, friendly, giving Charlie died by suicide.

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Ann reflects on the first four episodes and the ongoing nature of grief, along with the importance of listening.  She ends reading Cori Doerrfeld's children's story, The Rabbit Listened. 

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