In this episode, Tamatha & Chelsea are in deep and meaningful conversation with Carla Fernandez about what it takes to grieve well in a society that refuses to make eye contact with someone in the thick of it.

Carla is the author of Renegade Grief: A Guide To The Wild Ride of Life After Loss (Simon & Schuster) and co-founder of The Dinner Party, an organization connecting young adult grievers to peers over community dinners that normalize grieving through honest conversations with others who get it.

You can expect to hear:

• What it means to be renegade griever

• How the curiosity in Carla’s early grief gave way to a powerful counterculture

• A moment of connection between Tamatha and Carla’s late father, Jose

• The dire need for not just greater grief literacy but grief allyship, from the group text to the workplace to Capitol Hill

• Some profanity (oops) because WTF is with people being so weird about loss?!

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More about Renegade Grief, The Dinner Party & Carla at-large:

• Pick up a copy of the book, for you or someone in your life that needs it, here, or anywhere you get your books!

• Find a stop on the Renegade Grief Roadshow, perhaps in a city near you, here

• Request a seat at the table with The Dinner Party, or make a donation to ensure there’s a seat for everyone, here

• Connect with Carla on Instagram @carlitafernandez

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