In this heartful and informative episode, I’m joined by Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson—therapists, educators, partners in both life and business, and the voices behind The Mind-Body Couple Podcast.

Together, they run Pain Psychotherapy Canada, a clinic dedicated to helping clients reduce or eliminate chronic pain through mind-body approaches, and MBody Community, an online space for chronic pain recovery education and support.

We explore:

• Tanner’s personal journey from chronic pain and fibromyalgia to full recovery
• How Anne supported his healing and how it shaped her own work with trauma and mind-body symptoms
• Why social safety is a missing link in so many healing journeys
• The challenges and rewards of being romantic and professional partners
• The importance of self-trust in the early stages of chronic pain recovery
• Their shared “soap box” message and the one thing they want everyone to know about healing

If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed, alone, or stuck in your symptoms—or if you’re curious about how nervous system work can support deeper healing—this episode is a must-listen.

✨ Connect with Tanner & Anne:
Website: mbodycommunity.com
Therapy Clinic: painpsychotherapy.ca
Instagram: @painpsychotherapy
YouTube: Pain Psychotherapy
Podcast: The Mind-Body Couple

🌿 Want support on your own healing or visibility journey?
If you're a sensitive, purpose-driven human who’s ready to show up more boldly and trust yourself more deeply—whether in your business or your body—I’d love to work with you.
Learn more and apply to coach with me here: www.annaholtzman.com

Welcome back, dear listener. Today, we’re diving into a conversation about the power of community, creativity, and connection—and how they can transform not just our work and creative endeavors, but our lives.

My guest is Michael Averill, an award-winning speaker, musician, and community builder who has spent over 20 years fostering deep connections across teams, organizations, and even entire countries—literally. He once walked 4,000 miles across Canada, using music and storytelling to bring people together. His work is all about helping people move beyond the limitations of going it alone and into the magic of collaboration.

In this episode, we explore why trying to do everything yourself leads to burnout, what happens when you let go of control and invite others into your vision, and how embracing community can take your work further than you ever imagined. Michael shares powerful stories from his own journey—both on stage and on the road—that will leave you feeling inspired to lean into connection in new ways.

Let’s get into it!

You can find Michael at:
https://www.michaelaverillproductions.com/

https://www.instagram.com/michaelaverillmusic/

And you can find me at:
Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@anna_holtzman⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
Email: anna@annaholtzman.com
Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.annaholtzman.com⁠

✨ Episode Summary:

In this solo episode, Anna dives into four powerful and recurring questions that come up with her coaching clients — sensitive creatives, coaches, and entrepreneurs navigating the tender terrain of putting their work into the world. Whether you're launching a business, writing a book, or simply stepping into more visibility, this episode will resonate deeply if you've ever wondered:

• How much of my personal story should I share?
• Is it okay to talk about hard stuff in coaching sessions?
• Why can’t I make myself do the things I know I need to do?
• Why do I feel like crap after doing something brave?

Using a mind-body approach grounded in nervous system wisdom, Anna explores each question with nuance, compassion, and practical insight. You'll learn why emotional safety is essential for sharing vulnerably, how to listen to your body when deciding what to reveal, and why those “vulnerability hangovers” after being visible are not signs you're doing it wrong — but signs you’re on the right track.

🧠 What You'll Learn:

• How to tell when sharing your story is empowering vs. overwhelming
• Why grounded vulnerability connects more than oversharing
• The difference between coaching and therapy — and why deep topics are welcome in coaching
• What to do when you're stuck in inaction despite knowing the next steps
• Why shame, doubt, or even pain flare-ups after visibility are totally normal — and how to care for yourself through them

💬 Favorite Quote:

“When you’re out of connection with yourself, your audience won’t feel safe connecting with you either.”

🌱 Resources & Links:

• Learn more about working with Anna: www.annaholtzman.com
• Join the newsletter for updates & offerings: www.annaholtzman.com/getintouch
• Connect on Instagram: @anna_holtzman

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