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Frank and Stan Chats

Frank and Stan Chats

著者： Frank Norris and Stan Johnson
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Frank Norris and Stan Johnson have been friends since 1995. Both have had successful and lengthy careers in education. Frank was a very senior HMI with Ofsted for 11 years and was the CEO of the Coop Academies Trust for 6 years. Stan was seconded to Ofsted for a year and then returned to headship before working as a senior adviser with Lancashire LA. He has latterly led a successful education consultancy in the North West. Prior to Covid-19, the two gents would meet in Manchester for a pint or two but the pandemic put an end to that. On 1 May 2020, they recorded their first video chat as a way of recording their emotions and reactions to the pandemic. After putting the video on Youtube as a safe place to store it they realised that some followers began to appear. Now, with nearly 180 episodes and having chatted to Professors, CEOs, journalists, teachers, former HMI, education thinkers and Frank's Key Stage 1 leading daughter they have a loyal following and a rapidly increasing number of viewers. The reach of the Frank and Stan Chat stretches from Bogota to Ottawa to Greece and their first Live Edition was recorded in front of nearly 200 Headteachers in York. The Chats are not undertaken to attract followers or for financial reward (nothing is received and nothing will be received). It is a way of airing views on education matters between two professional friends with a focus on leadership. We are honoured to be invited to host the weekly chats on the Leader-connect website www.leader-connect.co.uk. The chats helped the gents get through the pandemic and they are delighted that they have been enjoyed by others and appear to have helped in developing leadership thought and actions. If you fancy being a guest then just reach out. We never post a video unless the guest is comfortable with it. So, it is a relatively risk-free environment. Thank you. Frank and Stan. PS. We were honoured to be identified as one of the Top 50 education and leadership podcasts in THE WORLD!!! We can't believe it, but it appears to be true.

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  • Frank and Stan Chat No. 290: Dame Kathy August and Tom Clark CBE

    Frank and Stan Chat No. 290: Dame Kathy August and Tom Clark CBE
    2026/08/10
    Frank and Stan reflect on some recent announcements by the new Prime Minister and the new Secretary of State for Education on vocational and technical education. We then get into the main part of this mid-summer break chat with Dame Kathy August and Tom Clark CBE. Over the past 20 years, education has undergone significant changes. The movement from maintained schools run by local authorities to an academy trust arrangement has been one of the most significant. During that period, governments have come and gone, but the legacy of prominent education figures who helped fashion that innovation has remained. Kathy and Tom were engaged in that work from different perspectives. They have joined forces to co-author an amazing new book called 'Voices from the education vanguard'. They interviewed just over 40 prominent education figures including, Lord Michael Gove, David Laws, Sam Freedman, Sir David Bell, Sir Michael Wilshaw, Sir Nick Gibb, Lord Ken Baker and many others to better understand their motivation for reform, what appeared to work well and their regrets, if any. The discussions are condensed into 3 or 4 pages, focusing on major issues. The second half of the book considers three themes that emanated from the discussions. These cover Culture, Governance and Architecture. We highly recommend this book. The quality of this chat gives an insight into what you get when you read their book. Enjoy.

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    48 分
  • Frank and Stan Chat No. 259

    Frank and Stan Chat No. 259
    2026/07/08

    The joy of our weekly chats lies in the contributions made by our amazing guests. This week is no exception as we are joined by a former HMI, Mathematics subject lead and specialist adviser, Steve Wren. Steve has been keeping a keen eye on Ofsted's new inspection framework and has shared his insights on social media. Today he focuses on the problems around attendance and behaviour. Stan gets things rolling by considering how compliant schools and their leaders are, even when there is much to be disgruntled by. He considers what would happen if a school didn't go out of its way to work openly with inspectors. Frank closes the chat with his growing dislike of SUV drivers parking on yellow lines so that their children can avoid a two-minute walk to school. He also draws attention to two headteachers who regularly call this action out despite it not being in their job description.


    It's a belting chat. Enjoy, we believe you will!

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    44 分
  • Frank and Stan Chat SPOTLIGHT No. 30

    Frank and Stan Chat SPOTLIGHT No. 30
    2026/06/26

    The SPOTLIGHT editions of the Frank and Stan Chat provide us with a chance to meet colleagues with one topic of conversation. The 30th edition is with Sian Hampton and Alice Gregson. They have created a System Leadership programme that is focused on a range of partners delivering services for children and families. It brings educators together with those from health, social care, housing and other partners to consider how jointly they can contribute more if they are better coordinated.


    The chat considers how previous attempts have been marginally successful and what is currently being attempted. Sian and Alice get a chance to chat about their new programme. If you are interested this is the weblink you will need. https://elevatingleadership.co.uk/programmes/


    Enjoy.

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    34 分
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