Voice Movement Therapy practitioner, writer, singer, and creative polymath Kaatje Jones joins us to explore healing through the embodied voice, working with land/ancestors, and building an authentic, multi-hyphenate life. We talk Sedona vortexes, Santa Fe quiet magic, sessions that look like… chicken noises 🐔, and gentle ways to begin again.

Timestamps/Chapters:

00:00 – Why an eclectic, multi-hyphenate path can fuel you (not drain you)

01:38 – What is Voice Movement Therapy (VMT)?

05:38 – From theater kid to healing with the voice

07:03 – What a first VMT session can look like

09:24 – Breath, humming, roaring, and meeting your body where it’s at

11:21 – Shame, silliness, and celebrating tears

12:26 – Inner child + parts work in VMT

14:20 – Science, woo, and the spectrum between

16:13 – Working with the land (Sedona, Santa Fe) & being guided by place

19:33 – Vortex tours, skeptics, and “something’s happening…”

21:35 – Rebrand: YouTube + Substack as a creative container

25:13 – Music: medicine songs, land-inspired pieces, and coming-out stories

27:33 – How to work with Kaatje (online/outdoors/ancestor work)

28:56 – Boundaries/energy hygiene for empaths who hold space

31:11 – How many clients/day? When work gives you energy

34:53 – For the “rat race” crowd: small experiments & beginner’s mind

37:24 – Routines vs. responsiveness: building days by feel

41:28 – Everyone’s a beginner somewhere (even the experts)

43:19 – Santa Fe meetup, Part 2 ✨

Links:

• Work with Kaatje: wildxpression.com (Wild Expression without the “e”)

• Kaatje’s YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WildXpression or Substack: search Wild Xpression

• Our Book Club: https://bit.ly/KerouacBookClub

• Get The Untethered Soul: https://amzn.to/48gkvST