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Jonathan Reams, PhD, is currently doing action research projects exploring how to scale micro-skill development for habituating core leadership practices. He approaches this work drawing on experiences from holding a position at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) from 2007 until 2024, serving as editor-in-chief of Integral Review from 2005 to 2023, and being chief creative officer at the Center for Transformative Leadership and Adeptify.

A Few Quotes From This Episode

• "Leadership isn’t about position—it’s about behavior in the moment.”
• “We need proprioception of thought—awareness of our thinking as it arises.”
• “The feeling of being time-starved is an interpretation, not a fact.”
• “It’s not about a thousand skills to master; it’s about cultivating processes for clean thinking and wise action.”

Resources Mentioned in This Episode

• Article: Amal and Berndt’s paper on the knowing–doing gap
• Center for Creative Leadership’s DAC model
• Dynamic Skill Theory – Kurt Fischer
• David Bohm’s work on the proprioception of thought
• David Wagoner’s poem Lost
• Book: BJ Fogg’s Tiny Habits
• Book: James Clear’s Atomic Habits
• Book: Robert Kegan and Lisa Lahey’s Immunity to Change
• Book: Daniel Coyle’s The Talent Code

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