In this powerful episode, Jason and Ron sit down with Dr. An Nguyen, Clinical Psychologist and Clinical Director at Desert Recovery Centers, to talk about the real work of recovery—and why true transformation only happens when someone is ready to change.

Dr. Nguyen shares an unforgettable analogy that defines her approach:

If I offer you a bowl with 100 grapes for your 30 days, you might only eat 10 of them. But those 10 might be exactly what you needed to keep going.

That’s the philosophy behind the program at Desert Recovery Centers—they provide the full bowl: evidence-based therapies, group and individual counseling, life skills, and a deeply committed clinical team. But in the end, each person takes what they’re ready for, and that’s where the journey begins.

Dr. Nguyen also opens up about the challenges of working within insurance timeframes, the importance of addressing core issues head-on, and how her team’s ability to quickly build trust makes a real difference in outcomes.

With honesty, compassion, and zero sugarcoating, Dr. Nguyen explains how Desert Recovery Centers equips individuals with the tools they need—but the choice to use them is always personal.

This is a must-watch for anyone navigating recovery, supporting a loved one, or working in the behavioral health space.