What if cancer care isn’t about “kill the enemy,” but about changing the terrain so the enemy can’t live there? On location at Metabolic Health Day (Tucson, AZ), Mark sits down with integrative oncologist Dr. Nasha Winters to talk counter-culture oncology, why “I was healthy until cancer” is a myth, and how AI can serve relationship-first medicine instead of replacing it. We get into pre-habilitating the body before treatment (kidneys, liver, microbiome), why protocols-for-everyone fail, and the blueprint for a biophilic, data-guided cancer hospital that refuses to be a broom-closet add-on. If you’re done with fear-based care and “normal ranges” that normalize sickness, this one goes straight at it. Timestamps

00:07:31 — “What’s the solution?” Disrupting the status quo (not just naming the problem)

00:10:10 — No more one-size-fits-all: AI that learns you vs. protocols for “everyone”

00:16:27 — Belief vs. fear in the room: why energy and bedside still change outcomes

00:20:38 — The “mouse in the kitchen” analogy: terrain beats napalm (and why that matters)

00:27:37 — Make it exist: the donated land + biophilic cancer hospital model

We also hit: training clinicians to close the 17-year bench-to-bedside gap, compressing 10–12 hours of data review into something scalable, and ditching “at your age” labs for functional/optimal ranges (aim higher than “normal”).

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Connect with Dr. Nasha Winters & the Movement

Website: drnasha.com

Metabolic Terrain Institute of Health (MTIH): mtih.org

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drnashawinters/?hl=en

https://www.instagram.com/mtihorg/?hl=en

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nasha-winters-796374b6/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@UC6HW9q1YVjdCuL0vFP5MBbw

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