Joannis Orlandos stops by to chat about WendyOS, an operating system for bringing Swift and AI to robots, drones, and edge devices. We get into running Swift on NVIDIA Jetson and Raspberry Pi hardware, the future of cross-platform Swift across Android, Windows, and Wasm, and somehow end up arguing about whether you should let LLMs format your code at all.

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• Joannis Orlandos
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• WendyOS — The open-source OS for Physical AI

Related Links

• Wendy Labs Inc. — GitHub
• WendyOS Documentation
• Swift on Server — Joannis Orlandos
• Hummingbird — Lightweight Swift web framework
• MLX — Apple's array framework for machine learning
• Swift Android Working Group — Swift Forums
• Build and Packaging Workgroup — Swift.org
• Swift Evolution
• Bringing Swift to Android — Goodnotes

Related Episodes

• Swift Server Workgroup with Joannis Orlandos
• Swift on Android with Marc Prud'hommeaux
• Swift, Server Side, Serverless with Sébastien Stormacq

Chapters

• (00:00) - What Is WendyOS
• (05:15) - Swift, Hardware & Getting Started
• (16:18) - Swift Everywhere: Multi-Platform Future
• (21:24) - Swift on Windows, SQL Server & WWDC Preview
• (30:19) - AI, Skill Files & LLM Workflows
• (42:30) - Swift 6.4 & Wrap-Up

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After ten months away, Leo's back. He covers Swift Craft 2026, the rest of his speaking year (Beer City Code, iOSDevUK), and his honest take on AI dev tooling. Plus updates on MistKit, SyntaxKit, swift-build, MonthBar, and a new watchOS app called AtLeast (in TestFlight now). He's open to work, offering free 30-minute consultations, and a live WWDC 2026 episode is coming. Subscribe so you don't miss it.

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• Swift Craft 2026 — Folkestone, May 2026
• Beer City Code — Grand Rapids, Aug 14–15, 2026
• iOSDevUK — Wales, September 2026
• AI Doesn’t Reduce Work—It Intensifies It
• AI-assisted development talk (Boston) — YouTube
• MistKit — GitHub
• SyntaxKit — GitHub
• swift-build — GitHub
• MonthBar — month.bar
• AtLeast — atleast.app (TestFlight)
• Bushel — getbushel.app

Related Episodes

• Ep 200 — Live from CommunityKit WWDC 2025 with Matt Massicotte
• Ep 199 — v26.0 with Peter Witham
• Ep 178 — SOTU 2024 with Peter Witham
• Ep 196 — Swift on Android with Marc Prud'hommeaux
• Ep 203 — Milk Diary with Kaya Thomas

Chapters

• (00:00) - I'm Back
• (00:43) - Conferences 2026
• (03:54) - AI in 2026
• (05:59) - Swift Automation
• (07:34) - Projects 2026
• (12:02) - Free Consultation
• (14:37) - Thank you

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Kaya Thomas (kayathomas.is) comes back after half a decade to tell us about how motherhood inspired her new app Milk Diary (milkdiary.com). She talks about using new APIs like Foundation Models, SpeechAnalyzer, and AlarmKit to handle the complex stuff other feeding apps miss: intelligent scheduling and reminders, combo feeding that's actually easy to track, hassle-free tracking for twins and smart milk management.

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• Kaya Thomas
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• Milk Diary App

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• Rob Napier - TIL:AI. Thoughts on AI
• AI Code Reviews | CodeRabbit | Try for Free

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• Notifications with Kaya Thomas
• Live from CommunityKit WWDC 2025 with Matt Massicotte
• Plinky with Joe Fabisevich
• ChatGPTovski with Kris Slazinski
• The Making of Callsheet with Casey Liss
• Apples, Glasses, and HAL, Oh My!

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• (00:00) - What is Milk Diary
• (04:20) - Foundation Models
• (10:56) - The Feeding App Market
• (13:59) - Liquid Glass
• (17:01) - AlarmKit
• (19:34) - Local and Server Side Storage
• (22:28) - SpeechAnalyzer
• (25:13) - Developing with AI

• Steven Lipton