Dr. Devon Price unpacks “the laziness lie,” how AI and “bullshit jobs” distort work and higher ed, and why centering human needs—not output—leads to saner lives.
Guest bio: Devon Price, PhD, is a Clinical Associate Professor of Psychology at Loyola University Chicago, a social psychologist, & writer. Prof Price is the author of Laziness Does Not Exist, Unmasking Autism, and Unlearning Shame, focusing on burnout, neurodiversity, and work culture.
Topics discussed:
- The laziness lie: origins and three core tenets
- AI’s effects on output pressure, layoffs, and disposability
- Overlap with David Graeber’s Bullshit Jobs and status hierarchies
- Adjunctification and incentives in academia
- Demographic cliff and the sales-ification of universities
- Career choices in an AI era: minimize debt and stay flexible
- Remote work’s productivity spike and boundary erosion
- Burnout as a signal to rebuild values around care and community
- Gap years, social welfare, and redefining “good jobs”
- Practicing compassion toward marginalized people labeled “lazy”
Main points:
- The laziness lie equates worth with productivity, distrusts needs/limits, and insists there’s always more to do, fueling self-neglect and stigma.
- Efficiency gains from tech and AI are converted into higher expectations rather than rest or shorter hours.
- Many high-status roles maintain hierarchy more than they create real value; resentment often targets meaningful, low-paid work.
- U.S. higher ed relies on precarious adjunct labor while admin layers swell, shifting from education to a jobs-sales funnel.
- In a volatile market, avoid debt, build broad human skills, and choose adaptable paths over brittle credentials.
- Remote work raised output but erased boundaries; creativity requires rest and unstructured time.
- Burnout is the body’s refusal of exploitation; recovery means reprioritizing relationships, art, community, and self-care.
- A humane society would channel tech gains into shorter hours and better care work and infrastructure.
- Revalue baristas, caregivers, teachers, and artists as vital contributors.
- Everyday practice: show compassion—especially to those our culture labels “lazy.”
Top three quotes:
- “What burnout really is, is the body refusing to be exploited anymore.” — Devon Price
- “Efficiency never gets rewarded; it just ratchets up the expectations.” — Devon Price
- “What is the point of AI streamlining work if we punish humans for not being needed?” — Devon Price
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