EMEA Recruitment Podcast #171 - The Hidden Dangers of ESG Strategic Ignorance – Nicolas Carrera & Dr. Aleksandra Jancikova

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EMEA Recruitment Podcast #171 - The Hidden Dangers of ESG Strategic Ignorance – Nicolas Carrera & Dr. Aleksandra Jancikova

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EMEA Recruitment is proud to present the second instalment of our limited series, Conversations with Finance Leaders, in collaboration with Geneva Business School. These episodes will bring you the tangible experiences of specialist professionals with the expertise of the Business School’s leading academics. In this episode, John Bower, Director, welcomes Nicolas Carrera, Group Treasurer at Metalor Technologies, and the Business School's Dr. Aleksandra Jancikova to explore the hidden dangers of ESG strategic ignorance and the fine line between selective oversight and corporate negligence. Please note: This conversation was recorded at the Geneva campus, which may cause some background noise and variations in sound quality. Aleksandra introduces the conversation as a chance to explore unique perspectives drawn from over 20 years of combined professional experience. Nicolas introduces Metalor, a major player in the precious metals industry. He highlights its three business streams: refining precious metals (from mines and recycled sources); producing plating solutions; and manufacturing electrical switches (driven by the demand for data and AI centers). Founded in 1852, Metalor operates globally, and its ownership has evolved from private equity to a family-owned structure – which has influenced real change. Sustainability is still in the company’s DNA, but the shift in ownership brought new transparency and stakeholder communication expectations. NGOs have scrutinized the sector, so improved media engagement and adopting best-in-class sourcing practices has become even more important. The board now plays an active role in ESG oversight, moving beyond financial risk to assess materiality from multiple perspectives. In the last couple of years, Metalor has also worked on the corporate sustainability reporting (CSRD) approach and has finalized its year of analysis. Stakeholder expectations from banks, NGOs, and customers have evolved, and Metalor aims to report on a wide spectrum of risks and prioritize them accordingly. Aleksandra agrees that identifying material risks - financial, environmental, and social - is challenging, especially in sensitive sectors like Metalor’s. At GBS, ESG is integrated across the management function. One-third of the academic curriculum touches on ESG-related topics, and there are specialized courses to build expertise among students. She contrasts GBS with large corporates like Metalor, noting having a dedicated ESG role is less practical for smaller institutions. Instead, integration across functions and KPIs is essential. For example, GBS invites board members to speak with staff and students, encouraging open conversations. Even when tough topics arise, the aim is constructive feedback and aligning decisions with strategic priorities. Nicolas explains how CSRD helped Metalor implement more structured practices, including board visits to plants and hands-on engagement. For example, human impact and risk profiles differ significantly between operations in Europe and Asia. Each plant now has designated staff responsible for ESG pillars, allowing clearer and localized reporting. CSRD’s structured methodology ensures consistent reporting across teams and geographies. Metalor now has systems in place so that the board has the data required for informed decision-making. With acquisitions and growth, it’s been essential to bring everyone to the same level of understanding. A single ESG representative at the group level wouldn't work for such a global operation. Instead, the business ensures that people on the front lines understand ESG expectations, particularly for sourcing and due diligence. Local teams must be equipped to make decisions that align with anti-money laundering (AML) and quality control standards. Nicolas notes that internal practices and information flows are critical - internal missteps can lead to public scandals. The goal is to ensure that relevant information reaches the board and informs timely decision-making. A major focus for Metalor is the supply chain. Around 30% of its gold comes from mines, and some of those are artisanal, which carry higher risk. Through initiatives like Swiss Better Gold and support from SECO, Metalor engages directly in the field to ensure compliance. When geopolitical risks arise - such as sourcing gold from regions under sanctions – clear communication with the board is required to make fast decisions. Aleksandra raises a concern about how management presents data to the board; shiny numbers can mask deeper issues. She emphasizes the importance of understanding the line between compliance and ethics. Nicolas agrees, pointing out that Metalor avoids sourcing 50% of the world’s gold supply due to ethical or compliance concerns. By using geo-forensic tools, they can verify sources and make informed decisions, even if that means cutting off certain supply streams. They address the danger of “plausible...