We left the bar with a knife in our pocket. That did not stop us from dancing. The lords of Babylon have always known what they were doing, using queer bodies as a wedge, trading in fear, stoking lust for power to keep the people of the earth divided. This episode walks the Four Paths through the heart of that mechanism and finds, on the other side, what they cannot take from us. Simca: the communal joy that protests by refusing to stop.

You were not born broken. Fifteen billion years of the universe’s grace says otherwise, and this book shows you how to live from that. Creation’s Paths: A Creation Spirituality Primer, foreword by Matthew Fox.

Creation’s Paths is a Christopagan Creation Spirituality community rooted in the conviction that creation is original blessing, not original sin. If this episode found you at the right moment, you are welcome here.

New to Creation’s Paths? Start here: https://www.creationspaths.com/p/start-here

The book: Creation’s Paths: A Creation Spirituality Primer https://www.amazon.com/dp/1972869019

Educational resources: https://wisdomscry.com

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Chapters:

0:00 Three Figures on the Horizon05:41 Walk With Us Down Creation’s Paths07:24 The Divide Is the Weapon18:59 The Face of Christ in Every Face (Via Positiva)26:11 Do Not Hold Too Tight (Via Negativa)38:04 You Cannot Have Solidarity With Paper (Via Creativa)50:08 The Joy That Cannot Be Taken (Via Transformativa)58:35 Pride Is a Protest1:00:43 Create in Me a Pure Heart1:03:43 Just Listen to It Beat

Devotion without discernment is just blind obedience. That line builds across an entire episode, and it lands somewhere true. John Cassian, a third-century desert father writing before Augustine reshaped everything, gave us four questions to apply to any belief system, spiritual teacher, community, or practice: is it truly valuable, is it genuine, does it bear the right intention, can it carry the weight of what it claims? Charlie and Brian work through each test with examples ranging from Jonestown to prosperity gospel to billionaire philanthropy, and close with a reframing of utopia as honest direction rather than impossible destination. Discernment isn't the enemy of devotion. It's what keeps devotion from becoming captivity.

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You left the institution but not the longing. Creation’s Paths: A Creation Spirituality Primer is for everyone who still feels the sacred moving through the world and wants a language worthy of that feeling.

Creation’s Paths is a Christopagan Creation Spirituality community rooted in the conviction that creation is original blessing, not original sin. If this episode found you at the right moment, you are welcome here.

New to Creation’s Paths? Start here: https://www.creationspaths.com/p/start-here

The book: Creation’s Paths: A Creation Spirituality Primer https://www.amazon.com/dp/1972869019

Educational resources: https://wisdomscry.com

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0:00 We Look Under the Hood of Used Cars. Why Not Our Beliefs?

1:26 Welcome to the Workshop

4:38 When the Message Sounded Good and the Warning Signs Were Right There

6:27 Before Augustine: John Cassian and the Desert Elders

8:00 Test One: Is It Actually Valuable?

12:10 Test Two: Is It Genuine or Counterfeit?

20:17 Test Three: Does It Bear the Right Image and Intention?

26:41 Test Four: Can It Hold the Weight of What It Claims?

34:28 Utopia Is a Direction, Not a Destination

40:13 Discernment Is the Vital Aspect of Your Autonomy

Something happens in the body when someone says "Jesus." A clench, a recoil, a strange silence. This episode traces that response to its source: a fourth-century theologian who needed an excuse, an empire that found the idea useful, and the residue that soaked into the culture whether or not you ever set foot in a church. Charlie and Brian walk the Four Paths through original blessing, finding in the cross not a payment for debt but a living demonstration of grace that takes in every wound the world can pour and gives back love. It ends with a practice: say it until you feel it in your body. We are born blessed, not broken.

Creation’s Paths is a Christopagan Creation Spirituality community rooted in the conviction that creation is original blessing, not original sin. If this episode found you at the right moment, you are welcome here.

New to Creation’s Paths? Start here: https://www.creationspaths.com/p/start-here

You were not born broken. Fifteen billion years of the universe’s grace says otherwise, and this book shows you how to live from that. Creation’s Paths: A Creation Spirituality Primer, foreword by Matthew Fox.

Educational resources: https://wisdomscry.com

This work is listener and reader supported. If it has been nourishing to you, the most direct way to sustain it is a paid Substack subscription: it keeps the teaching flowing and the community growing. All are welcome here regardless of financial capacity. Spiritual nourishment should flow freely to all who seek it.

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0:00 What Happens in Your Body When I Say Jesus?

3:26 We’re Supposed to Share the Good News. Then We Hit a Wall.

5:45 The Cringe Has Deeper Roots Than You Think

18:44 Augustine Couldn’t Keep His Toga On (Via Negativa)

37:33 The Glory of God Is the Human Being Fully Alive (Via Positiva)

43:06 What Did Jesus Actually Do on the Cross? (Via Creativa)

48:47 Transmuting Violence: The Conscience That Feels (Via Transformativa)

59:20 Whitewashed Tombs and the Least of These

1:03:01 Say It Until You Feel It